Pathfinder 2E Paizo's Stephen Radney-MacFarland Previews The Rogue Class For Pathfinder 2nd Edition!

We saw the fighter last week; today it's the turn of the rogue! Paizo's Stephen Radney-MacFarland gives the inside scoop on rogue features, and feats.


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Rogue by Wayne Reynolds



What do we know from this latest blog entry? Here's some class features:

  • Sneak Attack (1st level) -- Rogues get Sneak Attack as their first class feature. Extra d6s of damage vs. flat-footed foes (such as flanked enemies, or those who fall victim to the Surprise Attack feature).
  • Surprise Attack (1st level) -- "during the first round of combat, the rogue treats any creature that has not taken its turn yet as if it were flat-footed."
  • Debilitating Strike (9th level) -- entangle or enfeeble targets in addition to damage. Higher levels add more conditions.
  • Master Strike (19th level) -- ... culminating in Master Strike, which is an insta-kill at 19th level.
  • More skill ranks, proficiencies, and skill feats than any other class. One skill feat per level rather than every other level.
And here's some class feats a rogue can take:

  • Nimble Dodge -- +2 AC at a whim.
  • Mobility (2nd level) -- move half speed and ignore reactions like attacks of opportunity.
  • Reactive Pursuit (4th level) -- a sticky ability which allows the rogue to chase after foes who try to disengage.
  • Dead Striker (4th level) -- treat frightened creatures as flat-footed.
  • Gang Up (6th level) -- treat enemies within melee range of of your an ally as flat-footed.
  • Twist the Knife (6th level) -- if you do sneak attack damage, do ongoing bleeding damage equal to half your sneak attack dice.
  • Instant Opening (14th level) -- make a creature within 30' flat-footed until the end of your next turn.
  • Cognitive Loophole -- ignore a mental effect for a round before it takes hold.
  • Blank Slate (16th level) -- immune to detection, revelation, and scrying effects.
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turkeygiant

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I'm really liking all of the new actions and reactions they have previewed in general. They all feel much more interesting and actively useful compared to a lot of the 1e feats which were often all about crunchy system efficiencies. These 2e feats and features feel like new tricks your character can actually do, not just a new formula plugged into the abstract set of calculations that make up your character. What I still really want to see is the overall progression of what you are able to pick and at what levels, my only concern is that some of these feats/features might lock behind a higher level something that should conceptually be available much earlier.
 

Doesn't feel too different from PF1 to be honest; you basically get a thing every level.

Hopefully, those things will prove more useful in play then they look.
 



Point of order: I think abbreviating the PF editions as "PF1" and "PF2" is the best way to reference them. Turkeygiant called then 1e and 2e above, and that was confusing.
 

Adso

First Post
Point of order: I think abbreviating the PF editions as "PF1" and "PF2" is the best way to reference them. Turkeygiant called then 1e and 2e above, and that was confusing.

It's even more complicated than that. It's P1 and P2 Playtest on the road to an eventual full P2 in 2019. Remember, kids, this is a playtest version of the rules.
 

I'm torn.

On one hand, i like how 5e made feats more meaningful, so that each one has a collection of stuff that's bound to have something useful. On the other hand, i also like how 4e gave feats out like candy, with each one being an integral lego that helped you construct combos (the forced movement feat + the knock down people you force move + the feat that lets you use at-will for OAs, et al). PF 2 is obviously closer to 4e, but it seems like it might have those 3e "you can attack 3 opponents as an action if you had eggs for breakfast on the third Tuesday of a month with a blue moon" kind of feats that are either straight up traps or only useful in niche builds. So, does the rogue get the ability to frighten foes to get Dead Striker to proc or is this a Timmy Option? Is the game going to have 34,423,432 damage boosting feats that compete with the Cognitive Loophole feat that only lets me ignore a mental effect for a round? It's obviously impossible to know at this point.

The one thing i really want to see gone are the nonsense feat chains. This is what I called the "Garbage to Gold" design paradigm that 3e and PF enshrined, where you would take stuff like Dodge, Improved Basket Weaving, Cursive Writing, and Pleasant Body Odor in order to qualify for the Do All the Damage feat if your game lasted until you were 9th level.
 

Ancalagon

Dusty Dragon
A quick, off-topic aside: dodge as a feat would be better in 5e than 3.x/PF...

But yes, I too loathe this feat chain thing.
 


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