Palpatine's Big Plan **Ep III Spoilers**

Rel

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I'm trying to make sure that I've got Palpy's "big picture" down. So lemme see if I've got this straight:

1) *supposition* He is born on Naboo where the mere existence of the Binks family fills him with the raging fury of a thousand suns. This makes him the perfect candidate for being...

2) Made a sith apprentice where he learns mastery of the dark side from the dude he talks about in his story to Annikin in Ep III. He kills his master in his sleep and becomes the Sith Master so naturally...

3) He returns home to Naboo and goes into politics. He rises in power to eventually become a Senator and gets off this jerkwater, outer-rim world and goes to Coruscant where...

4) He wins friends and influences people. One of these people is this pointy headed dude who eventually becomes Darth Maul. Palpy knows that Maul is long on fighting technique but somewhat short in the brains department but that's ok. We all know what happens to Sith apprentices when they get too smart.

5) Once Maul is trained up to the point of usefulness, Palpy adopts the persona of Lord Sidious to approach the Trade Federation about a rise to power, starting with the blockade of a small planet named Naboo. "But we don't really have an army," says the Trade Federation. "No problem. I known these guys on Geonosis who can provide you with a Droid Army," says Sidious.

6) Trade Federation takes delivery of Droid Army, clearly believing that poor quality control is made up for by sheer weight of numbers. They blockade and invade Naboo. If they had succeeded then clearly the current Chancellor is a buffoon and needs to be replaced. Since they did not succeed then Palpy uses the Queen to provide a more tenuous basis for replacement with the whole "No Confidence" vote. It works and Palpy squeaks into the Chancellor's chair. (It seems likely that some bribery and Sith hand waving influenced this vote.)

7) Maul gets killed on Naboo, which is just fine with Palpy since he's spotted a very promising candidate to take his place. But this new candidate is still very youn so for now he needs the older and more savvy...

8) Sifo-Dias the Jedi is turned to the Dark Side. His first mission is to fake his own death followed shortly by travelling to Kamino to place an order for a Clone Army. After that he goes to Geonosis to oversee a big architectural project and the continuing flow of Droids to the Trade Federation.

9) Palpy uses his hidden influence (and that of "Count Dooku") to incite various star systems to begin to revolt against the Republic. Meanwhile he uses his control of the Trade Federation to start and stop small conflicts here and there to show that he's an effective Chancellor.

10) He allows the true threat that is the Separatists and their Droid Army to become known. This sets up a crisis that requires that he be given "Emergency Powers" moving power out of the Senate and into his hands. This also lets him have the Jedi discover the Clone Army and bring it to bear against his Droid Army.

11) He knows that the resulting war will keep Dooku hopping and quell any thoughts he might have of trying to elevate himself to Sith Master using the traditional method. The early battle against the Geonosians is won lending credence to the idea that this Chancellor gets results and deserves to have even more "Emergency Powers" granted to him.

12) He engineers his own capture by the new leader of the Separatist Army, General Grevious. He knows that his heroic escape will be good PR and generate even more sympathy among the Senate. It also gets him a chance for some additional face time with Annikin and puts the lad in a position where he can plausibly be appointed to a spot on the Jedi Council.

13) The Jedi don't like this one bit and this starts to set up the dynamic where the Chancellor can reasonably say that the Jedi are more of an outdated hinderance to his new order than any sort of actual help.

14) He meanwhile preys on the fears of Annikin to push him further toward the dark side. He finally makes his big play and outright tries to convert him to a Sith. This is risky and ultimately turns out to almost be the death of Palpy when Mace Windu has him down. But his faith in young Skywalker wins out and he is merely maimed.

15) His maiming serves as visual evidence to the Senate of the assassination attempt by the Jedi and he legally begins to exterminate them.

16) Darth Vader is now officially a Sith Lord and with the Jedi dead or in hiding, the Droid Army can be cast aside along with all of the earlier co-conspirators. The Emperor's rise to power is complete.


Did I leave anything out there?
 

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Rel said:
I'm trying to make sure that I've got Palpy's "big picture" down. So lemme see if I've got this straight:

1) *supposition* He is born on Naboo where the mere existence of the Binks family fills him with the raging fury of a thousand suns. This makes him the perfect candidate for being...

2) Made a sith apprentice where he learns mastery of the dark side from the dude he talks about in his story to Annikin in Ep III. He kills his master in his sleep and becomes the Sith Master so naturally...

3) He returns home to Naboo and goes into politics. He rises in power to eventually become a Senator and gets off this jerkwater, outer-rim world and goes to Coruscant where...

4) He wins friends and influences people. One of these people is this pointy headed dude who eventually becomes Darth Maul. Palpy knows that Maul is long on fighting technique but somewhat short in the brains department but that's ok. We all know what happens to Sith apprentices when they get too smart.

5) Once Maul is trained up to the point of usefulness, Palpy adopts the persona of Lord Sidious to approach the Trade Federation about a rise to power, starting with the blockade of a small planet named Naboo. "But we don't really have an army," says the Trade Federation. "No problem. I known these guys on Geonosis who can provide you with a Droid Army," says Sidious.

6) Trade Federation takes delivery of Droid Army, clearly believing that poor quality control is made up for by sheer weight of numbers. They blockade and invade Naboo. If they had succeeded then clearly the current Chancellor is a buffoon and needs to be replaced. Since they did not succeed then Palpy uses the Queen to provide a more tenuous basis for replacement with the whole "No Confidence" vote. It works and Palpy squeaks into the Chancellor's chair. (It seems likely that some bribery and Sith hand waving influenced this vote.)

7) Maul gets killed on Naboo, which is just fine with Palpy since he's spotted a very promising candidate to take his place. But this new candidate is still very youn so for now he needs the older and more savvy...

8) Sifo-Dias the Jedi is turned to the Dark Side. His first mission is to fake his own death followed shortly by travelling to Kamino to place an order for a Clone Army. After that he goes to Geonosis to oversee a big architectural project and the continuing flow of Droids to the Trade Federation.

9) Palpy uses his hidden influence (and that of "Count Dooku") to incite various star systems to begin to revolt against the Republic. Meanwhile he uses his control of the Trade Federation to start and stop small conflicts here and there to show that he's an effective Chancellor.

10) He allows the true threat that is the Separatists and their Droid Army to become known. This sets up a crisis that requires that he be given "Emergency Powers" moving power out of the Senate and into his hands. This also lets him have the Jedi discover the Clone Army and bring it to bear against his Droid Army.

11) He knows that the resulting war will keep Dooku hopping and quell any thoughts he might have of trying to elevate himself to Sith Master using the traditional method. The early battle against the Geonosians is won lending credence to the idea that this Chancellor gets results and deserves to have even more "Emergency Powers" granted to him.

12) He engineers his own capture by the new leader of the Separatist Army, General Grevious. He knows that his heroic escape will be good PR and generate even more sympathy among the Senate. It also gets him a chance for some additional face time with Annikin and puts the lad in a position where he can plausibly be appointed to a spot on the Jedi Council.

13) The Jedi don't like this one bit and this starts to set up the dynamic where the Chancellor can reasonably say that the Jedi are more of an outdated hinderance to his new order than any sort of actual help.

14) He meanwhile preys on the fears of Annikin to push him further toward the dark side. He finally makes his big play and outright tries to convert him to a Sith. This is risky and ultimately turns out to almost be the death of Palpy when Mace Windu has him down. But his faith in young Skywalker wins out and he is merely maimed.

15) His maiming serves as visual evidence to the Senate of the assassination attempt by the Jedi and he legally begins to exterminate them.

16) Darth Vader is now officially a Sith Lord and with the Jedi dead or in hiding, the Droid Army can be cast aside along with all of the earlier co-conspirators. The Emperor's rise to power is complete.


Did I leave anything out there?

Well to be nitpicky, I don't think Palpatine took up the identity of Darth Sideous for the dealings with the trade federation, he was given that name by his Sith Master much the way he renamed Anakin in Ep3.

I think a lot of the situation between Mace & Sideous was staged for Anakin's benefit.

I read an interview with the actor playing Sideous and he states that the maimed look is the real face and the pleasent look of Palpatine is an illusion.

Dooku isn't Sifo-Dias the Jedi Master. He may have used that name to the clone makers but Dooku was Yoda's Padawan, and Qui-Gon Jinn's Master, and was a seperate person from Sifo-Dias as far as I can tell.
 

Actually, I got the impression it was Palpatine who made the order for the Droid Army - this was ten years ago, as the Kaminoan says, and RIGHT as he was getting into power. Didn't Dooku leave like 20 years prior?
 

Flexor the Mighty! said:
Dooku isn't Sifo-Dias the Jedi Master. He may have used that name to the clone makers but Dooku was Yoda's Padawan, and Qui-Gon Jinn's Master, and was a seperate person from Sifo-Dias as far as I can tell.

I recalled it being said that Sifo-Dias "died" ten years prior to the clone army being discovered (i.e. at about the same time the army was ordered). The Kaminoians were convinced that it was a Jedi who placed the order (I'll allow that that could have been faked somehow) but then Dooku shows up under the tutelage of Sidious. I figured that he was the same guy.

It is also mentioned in the opening scroll of Ep II about "The Mysterious Count Dooku". If Dooku was his real name under which he was Yoda's Padawan and Jinn's Master then he wouldn't be so mysterious, would he? I would have thought they'd have made mention of the fact like, "We should have known that Master Dooku was going to cause us trouble when he left the Jedi order..."

So if Dooku is an assumed name then I thought it logical that he was actually Sifo-Dias.

I'll note that if Dooku left the Jedi 20 years earlier and IF he did so while already a disciple of Sidious then Palpy was violating the "There Can Be Only Two" Sith tradition when he brought Maul into the fold. Not that the Sith can't violate the rules...
 

Rel said:
I'll note that if Dooku left the Jedi 20 years earlier and IF he did so while already a disciple of Sidious then Palpy was violating the "There Can Be Only Two" Sith tradition when he brought Maul into the fold. Not that the Sith can't violate the rules...

The "20 years" is not a definite, just something I thought I read before. Anyone else feel free to contradict if they have the stats.

On the other hand, just because he left doesn't mean he turned Sith right away. It could have been.

1. Dooku leaves the order.
2. Sideous finds and trains Maul. Maul Dies later.
3. Between Ep I and Ep II, Sideous finds and recruits Dooku, and Darth Tyrannus is born.
 

Note that, according to the Labryinth of Evil novel, Sifo-Dyas had nothing to do with the Sith. He DID place the order for the clones, but only because he saw what was happening before he was killed, and felt they would be necessary. Obviously, this worked perfectly into the plans of Sidious.

But Dooku =/= Sifo-Dyas. I believe it was mentioned Dooku posed as Sifo-Dyas' apprentice when he picked up the clone order.
 

17. after 3 movies and many years being unable to kill the Binks family he falls into a depression forgetting his face cream and botox injections. After a few years of pull the limbs off various jedi and militiary members he neglects his new apprentice who gives him the shaft.
 

I think everyone else covered my quibbles; the whole Sifo-dyas story was apparently mandated down from Lucas for inclusion in the Labyrinth of Evil novel, so it's pretty trustworthy as EU. Besides, Obiwan had heard of Sifo-dyas in Attack of the Clones; he makes some mention of his death 10 years earlier.

As for the "mysterious count Dooku," he could be mysterious for two reasons; perhaps his identity as a former Jedi was unknown, and he operated under a nom de plume? That seems unlikely, as Yoda and others never call him anything but Dooku, I agree. He has also apparently been missing for about 10 years (convenient, eh?), so "mysterious" could be more about what he's up to and what he's all about rather than necessarily who he is.

Then again, perhaps Lucas isn't that great of an author, and he tossed in a casual word "mysterious" when he's not really all that mysterious at all. It's not like he hasn't had other gaffes, plot holes, and other miscellaneous inconsistencies in the past. I just reread the opening crawl of Sith and had to cringe at the summary of conditions towards the end of the clone wars: "Evil is everywhere."

I should point out, too, that there's a popular theory (not that I buy into it) that Sidious killed Darth Plagus thousands (or some other extremely long time) ago, and has been prolonging his life using "abilities that some consider to be unnatural." If this theory is true, there's no telling if he really as a Nubian (or Nabooean, or whatever the correct term for that is) or not. Although personally, I don't see any reason for that theory to be necessary, or even desirable.

I also don't believe that Sidious was really in that much danger from Mace Windu. I think he knew exactly what he was doing and that whole episode, including the "scarring" of his face was all an act for Anakin's benefit. He sure didn't look "weak" like he was claiming a second ago when he blasted Windu out the window gloating and shouting "Ultimate Power!" like some kind of cartoon villain.

But again, I only quibble with a few of your details. Overall, you've nailed down the Big Dark PlanTM pretty well, I think.
 

Well, I'm willing to accept that Sifo-Dyas is not Dooku. Honestly it seems to me that it just fits very well with the circumstances in the movies and I think it would have made an interesting story twist.

I latched onto this idea after Ep II and even ran a 3-4 session mini campaign of d20 Star Wars with this as the core concept (along with having the PC's track Dooku to Dagobah and kill him, thus creating the "dark cave" due to his evil presence there). So I guess I should give myself the same advice that I would give the Emperor: "Don't believe your own hype." ;)
 


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