Today's Pathfinder 2nd Edition news update is a mixed bag covering Golarion's "infusion" (or "dusting") in the core rules, how the playtest process works, and the reasoning by the new Ancestry terminology. But, most importantly, we get our first introduction to the new elves and dwarves from the upcoming edition!
Elf and dwarf by Wayne Reynolds
Vic Wertz weighs in on the Ancestry terminology --
"Look, folks, the terminology change has nothing whatsoever to do with politics. The problem is that the term is at best inaccurate, and at worst, limiting to design.
Let's look at the "Races" chapter from the Inner Sea World Guide:
Inner Sea World Guide:
Okay, so far, so good, I guess...
Inner Sea World Guide:
And let's think about that passage another second—only humanity is divided into many different, unique ethnicities? That's arbitrary and limiting too.
The chapter—remember, it's entitled "Races"—then goes on to detail Azlanti, Chelaxians, Garundi, Keleshites, Kellids, Mwangi, Shoanti, Taldans, Tians, Ulfen, Varisians, Vudrani, Dwarves, Elves, Gnomes, Halflings, and Half-Elves.
At this point, I want to sing "one of these things is not like the others," but really, from one point of view, 12 of these things are not like the others... and from another point of view, none of these things are like the others.
Now let's go back to the Core Rulebook, and its "Races" chapter. We get nice little writeups on Dwarves, Elves, Gnomes, Halflings, Half-Elves, and Humans, detailing their physical description, society, relations, alignment and religion, adventurers, and names. Or do we? Let's look a bit closer at the writeup for humans.
Physical Description: The physical characteristics of humans are as varied as the world's climes...
Society: Human society comprises a multitude of governments, attitudes, and lifestyles...
Alignment and Religion: Humanity is perhaps the most heterogeneous of all the common races...
Adventurers: ...Humans hail from myriad regions and backgrounds, and as such can fill any role within an adventuring party.
Names: ...humanity's diversity has resulted in a near-infinite set of names.
Was any of that actually useful? Let's face it: it's largely two columns of "we had to put text here to follow the format." That's a symptom of the format being too restrictive.
Ditching "Race" in favor of "Ancestry" lets us slice-and-dice across, er... racial lines, so we could—for example—easily confer the same mechanical benefit to characters who came from the same place without regard to whether they're human or elf, or we could give different mechanical benefits to Azlanti and Shoanti even though they're both human."
Elf and dwarf by Wayne Reynolds
- Elves & Dwarves! Paizo's latest blog update introduces the new versions of these two core races.
- Dwarves get Con, Wis, and a flexible ability boost, and a Cha flaw.
- Dwarves get 10 racial hit points, 20' speed, ignore armor penalties to speed, and see in the dark.
- Dwarves feats include Weapon Familiarity, Ancestral Hatred, and Hardy (this one is called a "heritage" feat with can only be taken at first level).
- Elves get Dex, Int, and a flexible ability boosts, and a Con flaw.
- Elves get 6 racial hit points, see in dim light, move at 30'.
- Elven feats include Keen Hearing, Ancestral Longevity, and Nimble.
- How much Golarion will there be in the playtest book? "Book of the Damned and Adventurer's Guide are not great examples, as they contain WAAAAAAAAY MOOOOOORE Golarion lore than the Playtest Rulebook. We'll probably do a blog about this in the coming weeks, but I sort of regret the use of the word "infused" in the marketing speak for the playtest, as it's probably more appropriate to say "Golarion dusted." The upshot is that the Playtest Rulebook will reflect Golarion as the "platonic" version of the world in the same way that the AD&D 1e DMG sort of defaulted to Greyhawk. There weren't multi-page treatises on the history of various kingdoms or whatnot, but when you read about Vecna or the "cult of the Ebon Flame" or something in a throw-away reference in a magic item, you could assume they were talking about something you could find in the World of Greyhawk. Likewise, I think it'd be fair to assume that the core deities will get more than a line on a chart to give people something to dig their teeth into, roleplaying-wise. Also we'll be talking about Forlorn elves and the Bleaching in the elf and gnome descriptions, for example, but we won't be going into detail on affairs in Kyonin or explain what's up with why the gnome god Thamir Gixx has the same last name as the Lord Mayor of Absalom. We'll see how it goes, but if this is one of your primary concerns about the playtest rules, I think you should prepare yourself to be relieved." (Mona)
- Vic Wertz on the playtesting process --
- On "extreme" versions of rules in the playtest -- "When the designers want to test how far they a system can be pushed, they might put an extreme version in the playtest. But they're not going to put out a version so extreme that they wouldn't actually use it."
- Playtesting the math -- "We've already said that making the math work better at high levels is one of Jason's key goals for the new edition. We are very aware that it's among the things that needs the most playtesting, and among the things that are most likely to be affected by playtest feedback, and among the things that are most likely to go through iteration during the playtest. That time has been planned for."
- On playtester input -- "As has been said above, playtesting is not a democracy. Ultimately, your feedback is considered by our staff, who will determine what the outcome is. (This is also the answer to the "vocal minority/silent majority" issue.)... However, your feedback—like everyone's—will bear more weight after you've actually seen the game, and it will bear still more when you're actually playing the game during the playtest process. If you choose not to do that, of course, that's fine, but don't be too surprised when we listen more to the people who do."
- On playtester selection bias -- "If everybody is only testing the parts of the game they like, that would be a problem. However, I have every confidence that there are plenty of people out there who are going to prioritize their efforts on the stuff they expect to dislike. (This is a good thing.)"
- Mark Seifter -- "A series of questionnaires is definitely one of the tools we're planning to employ!"
- Mark Seifter on Paizo's varied staff opinions -- "As Owen has mentioned before, during the Starfinder design phase, a key disagreement was resolved via rock/paper/scissors. There is no monolithic "Paizo" opinion. That's something I had thought was true before working here but really isn't (for instance, true story, I had gotten this idea that "all of Paizo" was obsessed with Lovecraft and that it might be a problem for me as a new employee that while I liked many of the Lovecraftian monsters, I found his stories disturbingly racist and didn't enjoy reading them, only to find out that it's a very few people at the office who are really deeply into Lovecraft)."
Vic Wertz weighs in on the Ancestry terminology --
"Look, folks, the terminology change has nothing whatsoever to do with politics. The problem is that the term is at best inaccurate, and at worst, limiting to design.
Let's look at the "Races" chapter from the Inner Sea World Guide:
Inner Sea World Guide:
The most expansive and populous of Golarion’s races are known as the core races—humans, dwarves, elves, gnomes, and halflings. Half-elves and half-orcs, while technically not quite so common as many of the world’s other races, are also considered part of the core races because of their close ties with humanity.
Okay, so far, so good, I guess...
Inner Sea World Guide:
On Golarion, humanity is further divided into many different, unique ethnicities. While each human ethnicity is identical so far as rules are concerned, they have wildly different appearances, histories, and customs.Wait a minute—human ethnicities have wildly different appearances, histories, and customs, but their rules are identical? That limitation is imposed by the definition of the term "race," but mechanically speaking, it's pretty arbitrary, isn't it? In the Bestiary, dogs have different rules based solely on whether you can ride them or not.
And let's think about that passage another second—only humanity is divided into many different, unique ethnicities? That's arbitrary and limiting too.
The chapter—remember, it's entitled "Races"—then goes on to detail Azlanti, Chelaxians, Garundi, Keleshites, Kellids, Mwangi, Shoanti, Taldans, Tians, Ulfen, Varisians, Vudrani, Dwarves, Elves, Gnomes, Halflings, and Half-Elves.
At this point, I want to sing "one of these things is not like the others," but really, from one point of view, 12 of these things are not like the others... and from another point of view, none of these things are like the others.
Now let's go back to the Core Rulebook, and its "Races" chapter. We get nice little writeups on Dwarves, Elves, Gnomes, Halflings, Half-Elves, and Humans, detailing their physical description, society, relations, alignment and religion, adventurers, and names. Or do we? Let's look a bit closer at the writeup for humans.
Physical Description: The physical characteristics of humans are as varied as the world's climes...
Society: Human society comprises a multitude of governments, attitudes, and lifestyles...
Alignment and Religion: Humanity is perhaps the most heterogeneous of all the common races...
Adventurers: ...Humans hail from myriad regions and backgrounds, and as such can fill any role within an adventuring party.
Names: ...humanity's diversity has resulted in a near-infinite set of names.
Was any of that actually useful? Let's face it: it's largely two columns of "we had to put text here to follow the format." That's a symptom of the format being too restrictive.
Ditching "Race" in favor of "Ancestry" lets us slice-and-dice across, er... racial lines, so we could—for example—easily confer the same mechanical benefit to characters who came from the same place without regard to whether they're human or elf, or we could give different mechanical benefits to Azlanti and Shoanti even though they're both human."
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