Pathfinder 1E Pathfinder Adventure Path: How Successful?

[malkav666]

I have never subscribed, but I buy PF books regularly from my FLGS and sometimes from PAIZO themselves. For me, Paizo picked up where WOTC left off for the version of D&D that I enjoy most.

I tried to like 4e. I bought some of that material and tried to play and run with the system for a good 6 months. It just never "clicked" for me. Don't get me wrong, I am not a customer lost to WOTC forever. I will take a look again when 5e hits. But for now Pathfinder IS D&D for me and my group.

We have been playing in a couple of smaller PF games and I run a weekly Dungeon-a-day campaign set in Golarion. We have been saving the APs to start them when the official rules are released in August. I have to say that as far as quality of work is concerned, Paizo has never ceased to impress me. I am hoping that the RPG does well as I would like to see a more robust hardbound book lineup from them.

(I voted subscribed later and am still subscribed. It was the closest option to my situation. I did not sign on from the beginning. But once I got one of the AP books I have been going back and getting all the ones I missed while picking up the new material at my FLGS).

love,

malkav

 

[Umbran]

Honestly, the fact that you felt the need to respond as you responded kinda proves my point.

And, the fact that you felt the need to respond as you responded kinda proves that I have to give Standard Reminder #233:

DON'T. GET. PERSONAL.

Really, people. Address the points, not the person. And for cryin' out loud, accept the point that the reactions of one person don't speak to the mindset of others. One person reacting a given way is in no way an excuse to paint an entire class of people with the same brush. I don't care if they are Paizo fans, 4e fans, 3e fans, My Little Pony fans, or oscillating fans.

Edition wars are proven 100% non-constructive. If what you are here to do is bash an edition or its fans... please just don't.

 

[ShinHakkaider]

Because 4e, and perhaps more importantly 4e's marketing, really ticked off a lot of folks something fierce. Paizo being a major publisher for those interested in 3.x material still, they're liable to see a major influx of the people thusly turned off by WotC with 4e.

This is also true. I know that I was willing to give 4E a chance even after in previews I saw a few things that I didn't particularly care for. I gave the game a chance, never playing as a player, but I have run a few sessions of it and decided that it's not the game for me.

There's also the fact that Paizo is the only company out there really supporting the 3.5 ruleset. There have been a significant amount of posters here who could be considered hostile to 3.5 fans as well. More than a few posters have touted the excellence of 4E by bashing 3.5 or saying thing like "I'll never go back to THAT system" or "THAT system is for powergaming munchkins" (paraphrasing here). You can praise 4E without bashing what came before, just like I can simply say that 4E is not my thing without saying that it's an MMO on paper or some such garbage.

Also I think that the Pathfinder / 3.5 crowd is very defensive honestly because Paizo IS the only company supporting their game. WOTC is the big dog and anyone playing 4E has MASSIVE amounts of support from WOTC alone not to mention Goodman Games and other 3rd party companies. When a 4E fan turns and starts crapping all over Paizo or starts insisting that Paizo support 4E, it REALLY rubs Pathfinder supporters the wrong way, because some people may feel that 4E people have all the support that they need and they're trying to actively KILL the only other support that 3.5 players have out of pure SPITE.

Irrational? Yes. But it is a valid concern.

Anyone who still wants to use Pathfinder materials for 4E can still do so with conversion. Apparently there are people out there doing just that. My feeling is that if Paizo started doing 4E material it would be the beginning of the end for 3.5 support and would effectively kill our game of choice. And I honestly think a lot of us dont want that.

 

[Mournblade94]

I subscribe to all of the Paizo subscriptions, and have from the beginning.

They run their company very well, IMO, and I'm happy to support them.

I buy everything released from Paizo now. I have lots of money freed up since I don't buy WOTC D&D material anylonger.

I do not however subscribe because I want to support my local game store. The subscription model kind of irks me, because I have to wait longer to get the product from my local game store, but Pathfinder D&D is definitely worth it. Best quality I have seen since 2nd edition mega modules.

Good thing I don't subscribe though because my purchase activity has brought PAthfinder to the owner's and customer's attention. Typically he orders a duplicate of what I request, for the non regular customers.

 

[SolitonMan]

... or oscillating fans.

But I think we all must agree, those guys really BLOW








I'm so sorry, I have a sickness, really. My friends are always threatening me with violence for my...puns.

 

[timbannock]

I stayed on long enough to get through the first campaign (Rise of the Runelords) and even got the first adventure in the second path (Edge of Anarchy I think it's called).

I loved most of Rise, but the ending just...I don't know. It was kind of out of left-field to me for some reason. To be fair, I didn't read the last two or so in great detail, so maybe if/when I run them I'll feel differently.

Unfortunately for Paizo, I love 4e. I don't mind converting, but I just don't need more adventures at this point. Still, Paizo's customer service and quality of product are amazing, so if you do want GREAT adventures, they are one of the best.

I don't know how I feel about Pathfinder (the rule set) yet. I think I'm done with anything 3e related, but maybe they'll impress me.

 

[ggroy]

Is there any chance you can not send every post down this path?

Why?

 

[Mournblade94]

Paizo seems like the "We're anti-4e" company. Whether that perception is justified or not, it sure seems to be positioned that way by many people who support Paizo.

If I perceived the AP's to be 4e-friendly, I would reconsider my decision to not buy them. Right now, based on their fan-base, I am not interested in them because I assume the products are not 4e-friendly.

I don't see how an AP would not be '4e friendly'. Is Mutants and Masterminds 4e friendly? What about Call of Cthulhu?

I could care less what other fans think of Pathfinder, I know it is good.

You are not going to find anti-4e sentiment in an AP. How would that even manifest?

 

[Mournblade94]

I do not think the people who work at Paizo are particularly anti-4e.

I think a disproportionate number of Paizo fans are actively anti-4e, often passionately so.

Just take a view at the WOTC boards and there is no disproportion to it.

I do not find fans of any other company passionately anti-anything.

Go to a Yankees or Red Sox game. You will find fans of a company very anti -(other) company.

He shouldn't have to fight a horde of fans. He should instead be getting lots of praise. The fact that he's in the thick of it taking on all comers again proves my point. Why is that happening? Why does Paizo seem to attract so many people who are so passionately against stuff as opposed to simply for the thing they like? Whatever the answer, that isn't the stuff for me. It's hard enough to buy and support 3rd party products in this economy. Fighting a horde of fans just to talk about what you want to do with that product is simply a turn-off.

I can see how this would affect the quality of Paizo's adventure paths. Your case is made.

 

[Mournblade94]

+1. Many poster that flocked to Paizo got tired of your game suck if your doing x marketing. That more then most things turned my group off to 4e before it was even previewed

Now while paizo does have its hot headed posters on both sides things are not as bad as say wotc forms or RPGnet's d&d section

+2

Paizo is fresh air in a gaming realm that was looking pretty dire for fans of 3rd edition.