Periphats of wisdom and such

[Dagger75]

Okay I have on this pariphet of wisdom, I put it on and with the boost to my wisdom I get a bonus 4th level spell. I memorize my bonus spell the next day.

Goblins ambush us and I get thrown in a net and my pariphet taken. Do I lose the bonus 4th level it allowed me to have? If I get my pariphet back later that day do I get my bonus spell back or is it gone?

Same thing applies to the head band of intellect.

 

[Crothian]

You lose a random spell when your wisdom is reduced. When your wisdom is increased, you must wait until you renew your spells the next day to get the spell slot again. That seems to be the easiest thing for my group.

 

[Rashak Mani]

What the Goblins dont kill your Mage ?! Incredible...

Well I would say take out a random 4th lvl spell and if you get the periapt back you DONT get the spell back... after all you HAD the wisdom to get it but not keep it whilst without periapt.

 

[Nareau]

This came up in our group...

I don't know of any official ruling on this. I would think that he loses the spell slot, and can't use it again until he's rested for a day. The same would hold true for any spellcaster who takes ability damage in their main stat.

The druid in our group wears a Periapt of Wisdom. Everytime he shapeshifts, his magic gear goes inactive, causing him to lose a 4th level spell. We house-rule that when this happens, he effectively loses the slot he had. When he returns to his natural form, he regains the slot (but it's empty). He then needs to spend 15 minutes meditating in order to prepare a spell in that slot.
This allows him to change out his prepared spells ("Dang, I shoulda prepared Cure Serious Wounds instead of Scrying! Better take off the periapt, put it back on, and meditate for a while...") But that's never come up. The real effect it has is that he can't fly into the enemy's barracks as a bird, shift back, then pepper them with Flamestrikes.

 

[Archer]

Once you memorize a spell you have it until it is cast. The answer is you don't get the bonus spell back until you have your item back for 24 hrs but you don't lose any spells just from taking it off.

 

[kreynolds]

Once you memorize a spell you have it until it is cast. The answer is you don't get the bonus spell back until you have your item back for 24 hrs but you don't lose any spells just from taking it off.

I envision a party of wizards passing around the pariphet while memorizing spells. I think I might just have a problem with that. This seem odd to anyone else?

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Yes, that calls, no shouts out loud, for abuse.
I'd rule it so: When you put on an item that increases the key ability score, you get bonus spells according to your new score (of course). If you put it off (or you get stripped of it), you only get the bonus spells according to your new old (lower) score, resulting in a loss of random spells (either roll or the DM graps the the player's spell sheet and cancels the spell(s) on the bottom). If you put it back on, you have to wait until you have rested the usual 8 hours and prepared your spells again in order to regain the bonus spells. If you shapeshift (as a druid or with a polimorph spell) and the item becomes inactive, but activates itself again after you changed back, you'll retain the bonus spells. If you rule that they lose their bonus spells, they'll always worry about that and won't shapeshift that often. That's especially bad for the druid, since the wildshape is an important class feature (without that he could be counted as a NPC class!)

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

You must keep the improved ability score for 24 hours before gaining a benefit... no passing around the periapt, k?

You don't lose the extra spell slot unless your ability score dropped for over 24 hours. So if you have been wearing a periapt for 3 days straight, then lose it, you have 24 hours before you lose that bonus slot. You shouldn't lose a bonus spell for Wild Shaping, unless you do so continuously for 24 hours. Instead, you'll lose save DC, Will save bonuses, and bonuses to Wis checks and skills until you gain it back.

 

[kreynolds]

You must keep the improved ability score for 24 hours before gaining a benefit... no passing around the periapt, k?

Sure, you could pass it around, but there would be no point to it. I'll explain why below.

You don't lose the extra spell slot unless your ability score dropped for over 24 hours. So if you have been wearing a periapt for 3 days straight, then lose it, you have 24 hours before you lose that bonus slot. You shouldn't lose a bonus spell for Wild Shaping, unless you do so continuously for 24 hours. Instead, you'll lose save DC, Will save bonuses, and bonuses to Wis checks and skills until you gain it back.

Know why I think you immediately lose the extra spell slot when you take off the item? Ever taken intelligence or strength damage in combat? The domino effect on your character sheet is instantaneous. Lose strength, you lose damage, weight capacity, skills go down. Lose intelligence, you lose spells, skills go down. Lose constitution, you lose hit points, fortitude saves go down. Blah for the rest of the ability scores. See what I'm getting at? Also, if a druid is worried about losing her spell slots, she might wanna wildshape into something that can still use the periphat. Those are the breaks.

 

[Archer]

You don't lose spells when you lose intelligence in combat. You might lose the ability to cast spells of x level if your int drops below 10+x.

You lose all the other benefits of the wisdom bonus just like when you lose strength but not spell slots.

Only effects like level drain that state you lose spells cause such an effects.