Pineapple Express: Someone Is Wrong on the Internet?

[Scribe]

No. Because some of us are doing some of the same things as others who don't share some of the others.

You could actually, it would just take a lot more focus and moderation, a higher posting population, and...silo'ing threads.

The amount of 'well I just like black olives, I think it makes a better pepperoni pizza' going on in the VAST majority of threads is pretty silly.

The best threads are the dedicated "Game X General Discussion (+)" ones, because its a focused thread for a specific game for people who are looking for the experience that game provides.

 

[Scribe]

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Oh and in the old spirit of this thread.

No I will not necro your post, but you are quite literally a meme. The most toxic demographic of all time, and literally a meme right now.

Touch grass.

 

[DrunkonDuty]

I love Daria.

I think I'll to pull out my DVD set and rewatch.

 

[payn]

I love Daria.

I think I'll to pull out my DVD set and rewatch.

You have a DVD player still?

 

[DrunkonDuty]

Yep. BlueRay, DVD, and CD.

Edited to add: all the one machine

 

[pukunui]

You have a DVD player still?

raises hand

 

[overgeeked]

Its kind of interesting in a 'this is the last game/nerd thing I think about at least partially at an intellectual level' kind of way.

I dont know if its because of the explosion of RPGs in 'normal' space.
I dont know if its because of the explosion of RPG games and the increase in their adoption post OGL fiasco.
I dont know if its just general hobby growth and drift.

I cannot think of many other hobbies I've participated in which have such wildly different expectations. I guess RPGs at this point need to be understood as the same level of pointless label as 'videogames'.

A hardcore arena shooter player, is absolutely NOT the same thing as my sister, who plays some roblox game with her 7 year old daughter farming plants or something like that. They just are not. Just as she is not the same as me, the guy who was raiding in WoW for years, or who wrote code for mods.

We definitely need to stop pretending that all RPG players are the same, because there are some pretty fundamental differences, even if some things are shared.

Exactly.

We're all playing RPGs. That utterly useless, overly broad category. You can see some of the most fundamental differences when you try something as simple as defining an RPG.

What's going on at tables playing Draw Steel is fundamentally different than what's going on at tables playing Fiasco. D&D tables are doing fundamentally different things than PbtA tables. Etc.

Again, it's not about better or worse, real or fake. It's about acknowledging the differences between these games so we can have more constructive conversations. And hopefully, some day, better-designed games that specifically serve those different groups who want fundamentally different things.

Yes, there is significant overlap between them. Of course there is. Just like there's significant overlap between shooters, 4x games, MMOs, and Plants vs Zombies. It doesn't mean you can't talk about those differences because someone might feel excluded.

 

[Scribe]

Again, it's not about better or worse, real or fake. It's about acknowledging the differences between these games so we can have more constructive conversations. And hopefully, some day, better-designed games that specifically serve those different groups who want fundamentally different things.

Yeah, I think there is value there, I participate in some of those conversations, but...I wish there was a bit more moderation on some of it, which is hilarious coming from me (trust me) but again this kind of thing is about the last hobby intellectualism I engage in for my own enjoyment and one can only hear about adding olives so many times...

 

[Thomas Shey]

You could actually, it would just take a lot more focus and moderation, a higher posting population, and...silo'ing threads.

I don't really think so, because I think there'd be both too many silos, and some that were counterproductive (in that they separated off discussion that has some relevance to people who wouldn't see them).

The amount of 'well I just like black olives, I think it makes a better pepperoni pizza' going on in the VAST majority of threads is pretty silly.

The best threads are the dedicated "Game X General Discussion (+)" ones, because its a focused thread for a specific game for people who are looking for the experience that game provides.

Even there you're going to have problems because relatively few games are so narrow that people can't go to them for different reasons, and their evaluation of that game is going to vary because of that. Very few people can necessarily find a game that gives them exactly what they want neither more nor less.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Again, it's not about better or worse, real or fake. It's about acknowledging the differences between these games so we can have more constructive conversations. And hopefully, some day, better-designed games that specifically serve those different groups who want fundamentally different things.

Yes, there is significant overlap between them. Of course there is. Just like there's significant overlap between shooters, 4x games, MMOs, and Plants vs Zombies. It doesn't mean you can't talk about those differences because someone might feel excluded.

Sure. The problem I'm suggesting is a lot of people want overlapping things. They aren't going to be easily separated out because they share some desires with Group A and some with Group B, and may not wish to sacrifice either of those sets of desires. That doesn't mean there aren't some with little or no overlap, but trying to push people into their own lane just isn't going to work (and it doesn't really work with computer games, either).