Pineapple Express: Someone Is Wrong on the Internet?

[overgeeked]

I find telling a joke, or other humor is a good way to open a path for communication, I don't know if it is roger's rules, works for me though.

It can. Depends on the joke and the audience. A whole lot of people are actively hunting to be offended. Weirdly you tend to find what you’re looking for in that regard. Yet another problem caused by social media.

 

[Gradine]

Well, I see the argument about definitions is going about the way I expected.

I'd say it's more of a disagreement than an argument

 

[dragoner]

It can. Depends on the joke and the audience. A whole lot of people are actively hunting to be offended. Weirdly you tend to find what you’re looking for in that regard. Yet another problem caused by social media.

It is good to read the room. Though socmed does feed on outrage, for sure, you are right.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

humorous or horrific

And it's obviously not either of those! It's just something people think it is true without hard evidence. Literally falls at the first hurdle even when you set up the hurdles!

It's not an "urban legend", and just straight-up lying isn't (typically) "gaslighting"!

In fact, most "urban legends", people repeating them don't actually believe they're true, but they're fun to talk about anyway! This is just a rumour - a different category.

 

[payn]

I'd say it's more of a disagreement than an argument

 

[prabe]

I'd say it's more of a disagreement than an argument

Better a disagreement than abuse.

 

[trappedslider]

And it's obviously not either of those! It's just something people think it is true without hard evidence. Literally falls at the first hurdle even when you set up the hurdles!

It's not an "urban legend", and just straight-up lying isn't (typically) "gaslighting"!

In fact, most "urban legends", people repeating them don't actually believe they're true, but they're fun to talk about anyway! This is just a rumour - a different category.

so yes you are one of those people

 

[dragoner]

And it's obviously not either of those! It's just something people think it is true without hard evidence. Literally falls at the first hurdle even when you set up the hurdles!

It's not an "urban legend", and just straight-up lying isn't (typically) "gaslighting"!

In fact, most "urban legends", people repeating them don't actually believe they're true, but they're fun to talk about anyway! This is just a rumour - a different category.

Lying is an interesting topic, people do lie, and it is a tactic, either in defense, or to accomplish a goal; which communication is goal oriented behavior.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

A whole lot of people are actively hunting to be offended.

I think this is often overstated, but it's definitely true social media has made this much more of an issue, because people can now basically customize themselves into getting fed stuff they know will offend them. Just look at how much Twitter/X has dropped off, usage-wise, since many people left for Bluesky, because the posters there have largely lost the people they used to delight in being offended by. This has impacted the "U SHOULD BE OFFENDED!!!" kind of news as well, as they can no longer easily dig up some jokey Twitter post with 3 likes by some guy with 50 followers and claim "THIS IS WHAT [insert group they want to attack] ACTUALLY THINK!!!".

Bluesky lately has kind of had the reverse too as lists of "people to follow" often included some er... edgy posters, and a lot of very uh... "middle of the road" people who joined in the last three-four months follow those lists, and then get offended by the edgy posters, and instead of unfollowing, they start attempting to attack the edgy posters and continue to follow them.

(Personally I don't post on either as it's bad enough that I waste time posting on here! I know I'm an addict and some drugs are too strong! But I at least have the sense that, if someone is twit who keeps annoying me and nothing else, I unfollow!)

Lying is an interesting topic, people do lie, and it is a tactic, either in defense, or to accomplish a goal; which communication is goal oriented behavior.

Sure and that's why we have a lot of different terminology for it and people take very different views on what exactly a lie is. Which is why I don't like "gaslighting", a specific and very malicious behaviour being used to mean almost any kind of lying at all, which is how a lot of people use it now.

For example, I have a friend who thinks repeating anything that is false, even unknowingly, is "lying". I would say that's an extreme and somewhat unreasonable view myself, but I get the perspective.

 

[dragoner]

Sure and that's why we have a lot of different terminology for it and people take very different views on what exactly a lie is. Which is why I don't like "gaslighting", a specific and very malicious behaviour being used to mean almost any kind of lying at all, which is how a lot of people use it now.

For example, I have a friend who thinks repeating anything that is false, even unknowingly, is "lying". I would say that's an extreme and somewhat unreasonable view myself, but I get the perspective.

I think it is in that communication is about social status, and that a great lie is good story, and gets you listened to, thus a rise in status. I know that people have a lot of modern terms, and that can be disquieting though when I think of it, it seems to bring to my mind the Depeche Mode song, "Policy of Truth":