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[trappedslider]

So, I shouldn't pile the money and burn it?

 

[billd91]

So, I shouldn't pile the money and burn it?

Doesn't count as a deductible.

 

[TiQuinn]

Not these forums - One day, OSR people are going to have to get it out of their heads that any criticism or friction with OSR games is not because the players are thinking in 5e terms. These are two different games attached by a name at this point.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Not these forums - One day, OSR people are going to have to get it out of their heads that any criticism or friction with OSR games is not because the players are thinking in 5e terms. These are two different games attached by a name at this point.

And there are plenty of people outside the D&D sphere who have some issues with 5e but don't think a lot of the OSR choices are actually improvements.

 

[RealAlHazred]

When I die, it will be on a hill an Everest of Bard corpses, and I’ll have a spring in my step, a twinkle in my eye, and at least two dozen incomplete essays.

Now you're just telling the Gnome Bard assassins where they can find you...

Not strictly related to the "fairness of life" asides, but I always loved this comic by Joel Pett.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Now you're just telling the Gnome Bard assassins where they can find you...

Not strictly related to the "fairness of life" asides, but I always loved this comic by Joel Pett.

It’s 11 years ago, I’m in a massive university Intro to Psychology class. Everybody in my 250-person lecture is freaking out because it’s the last class before the exams and none of us are ready. Professor says, “you know what, you guys seem stressed. I’m just gonna give all of you a 95%, blanket across the board — but you have to vote unanimously on it.”

He puts the poll on the board. We vote. 20 people say, “nope, I don’t want the guaranteed 95%”.

He puts another poll up that’s just like, why? Option A is: I selected the 95% because I want it. B: I think I could do better. C: I don’t want a grade I didn’t deserve. D: I don’t want somebody else to get the same grade as me even if they didn’t study as much. And all 20 people who didn’t want the 95% didn’t want it for that last reason.

The professor said, “this is the most important psychological lesson I will teach you this semester. I’ve been doing this experiment on classes for the past 10 years and not one class has agreed unanimously because there’s always somebody who doesn’t want someone to have what they have because they don’t think they deserve it. Statistically only 10 of you will get a 95% or above.” Because in life, greed will always hurt you more than it helps you.

 

[dragoner]

And there are plenty of people outside the D&D sphere who have some issues with 5e but don't think a lot of the OSR choices are actually improvements.

The irony is at the end of the day one could have all three books of the different games on their shelf, and it wouldn't make a difference, nada, zip. The discussion in and of itself can be interesting, but people take it too far. Like when a fan rips into you for "their game" and that other designer? They are on your friends list.

 

[RealAlHazred]

It’s 11 years ago, I’m in a massive university Intro to Psychology class. Everybody in my 250-person lecture is freaking out because it’s the last class before the exams and none of us are ready. Professor says, “you know what, you guys seem stressed. I’m just gonna give all of you a 95%, blanket across the board — but you have to vote unanimously on it.”

He puts the poll on the board. We vote. 20 people say, “nope, I don’t want the guaranteed 95%”.

He puts another poll up that’s just like, why? Option A is: I selected the 95% because I want it. B: I think I could do better. C: I don’t want a grade I didn’t deserve. D: I don’t want somebody else to get the same grade as me even if they didn’t study as much. And all 20 people who didn’t want the 95% didn’t want it for that last reason.

The professor said, “this is the most important psychological lesson I will teach you this semester. I’ve been doing this experiment on classes for the past 10 years and not one class has agreed unanimously because there’s always somebody who doesn’t want someone to have what they have because they don’t think they deserve it. Statistically only 10 of you will get a 95% or above.” Because in life, greed will always hurt you more than it helps you.

See, the real trick is to use Behavioral Economics. You start off by having the "95%" option not as a given, but making a nominal amount of work required; not the amount of work you'd actually need to do to get a 95%, but still something nominal. Then, after a poll which indicates some people still don't want to be unanimous, you slightly increase the nominal work, but people who bought in the first time are "grandfathered" in. After the third nominal increase in work, you should get unanimous buy-in.

 

[billd91]

See, the real trick is to use Behavioral Economics. You start off by having the "95%" option not as a given, but making a nominal amount of work required; not the amount of work you'd actually need to do to get a 95%, but still something nominal. Then, after a poll which indicates some people still don't want to be unanimous, you slightly increase the nominal work, but people who bought in the first time are "grandfathered" in. After the third nominal increase in work, you should get unanimous buy-in.

I don't think that's the actual goal...

 

[RealAlHazred]

I don't think that's the actual goal...

Oh, I understood his point. But people frequently make spot decisions based on emotional or physical urges and then justify them later. So, presentation is important!