Pitiful Monk, your speed impresses me not.

[Andor]

After all the old threads about how an 18th level monk with boots and a ring could jump the grand canyon, I thought I'd point this out.

7th level wizard/ 7th level shifter.

Cast expeditous retreat, Greater wild shape into a Juvenille Gold dragon.

Base speed 200 flying, doubles to 400 with expeditious retreat, Run feat allows times 5 movement 2000' per round. Or little over a mile ever 3 rounds. With a 17 con (Juvenille gold dragon) and the endurance feat (required to become a shifter) you could easily hold that speed for 21 rounds or about 8 miles. And with large size and a str of 25 you can carry abot 500 pounds while doing it. More with bulls str.

Of course real dragons can do that too. Has anyone noticed that with a first level spell dragons can do about 200 miles an hour for short stretches?

I wanna play a shifter.
-Andor

 

[Numion]

..but it wouldn't work because you can't run while flying.

 

[Zappo]

..but it wouldn't work because you can't run while flying.

Really? It kinda makes sense that a flyer can fly faster if it is willing to become fatigued. It wouldn't be called 'running', but mechanically it should be the same thing.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

Not really. Flying is just flying. A winged creature can either flap its wings continually or just ocassionally while gliding. If a creatures speed listed is for full out flying then that is the fastest it can fly I would think.

You could go faster for a little bit but only in a dive. Of course the ground will keep you from doing this for too long.

 

[Numion]

Really? It kinda makes sense that a flyer can fly faster if it is willing to become fatigued. It wouldn't be called 'running', but mechanically it should be the same thing.

I was talking from D&D rules POV. The rules say fliers can't run.

 

[frankthedm]

I was talking from D&D rules POV. The rules say fliers can't run.

Umm, dude, you’re wrong


Here is a chunk O’ text fom the SRD:
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Fly

The creature can fly at the listed speed if carrying no more than a medium load. All fly speeds include a parenthetical note indicating maneuverability, as follows.

Perfect: The creature can perform almost any aerial maneuver it wishes.
Good: The creature is very agile in the air (like a housefly or hummingbird), but cannot change direction as readily as those with perfect maneuverability.
Average: The creature can fly as adroitly as a small bird.
Poor: The creature flies as well as a very large bird.
Clumsy: The creature can barely fly at all.

Creatures can use the run action while flying, provided they fly in a straight line.

Most flying creatures have to slow down at least a little to make a turn, and many are limited to fairly wide turns and must maintain a minimum forward speed. Each flying creature has a maneuverability rating that defines how it moves when flying.

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This text was printed in the DMG hardcopy and can be found online here

http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd/srdcarryingmovingseeing.html

 

[KarinsDad]

Umm, dude, you’re wrong
...

Creatures can use the run action while flying, provided they fly in a straight line.

Umm, dude, you’re wrong.

Flying is not running.

Using the run action means that you can Fly 4x faster than your base speed.

It does not mean that Expeditious Retreat will double your Fly speed. ER merely doubles walk/run speed and jumping, not flying, not burrowing, not swimming.

The only two movement types ER affects is walking and jumping.

 

[Orco42]

Umm, dude, you’re wrong.

He was not saying that you can use ER with flying. He was only saying that you can run when flying.

The poster is the only person who mentioned ER.

so, umm, dude, you're wrong.

 

[Moon_Goddess]

From the SRD


Expeditious Retreat

Transmutation
Level: Brd 1, Sor/Wiz 1, Travel 1
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 action
Range: Personal
Target: The character
Duration: 1 minute/level (D)

The character's speed and maximum jumping distances both double. These benefits count as enhancement bonuses.

Now, I don't see anwhere that it says it only applies to walk/run speed, and I don't see any reason not to rule that speed means speed and applies to all forms of speed.

 

[EOL]

Says right here in the PHB:

This spell can be used for attack as well as for flight

So yeah you can use it for flying. Unless... they mean... flight as in... running away...

Okay I'm not helping, and actually it does say "fleetness of foot" so I suppose I would probably rule that it did not affect flying.