D&D 5E Planescape shows up in the wild. Tease from Chris Perkins.

[Micah Sweet]

Sort of. I mean, I've always used the planes and I've never used alignment (except where I HAD to under older D&D). IF alignment is seen as just a made-up descriptor of someone's idea of boxing morals/ideals/tendencies into a simplified 9-box system, when "reality" (or multiple-reality) is far more nuanced and complicated, the planar alignments can both be true (in that no-one would object to them being described that way) but also not necessary as labels.

Does that make sense? I'm trying to say - the planes can be unchanged in what they are and how they're portrayed and yet not have alignment a thing.

You think "nuance and complication" are part of WotC agenda? At all? Quite the opposite I would say.

 

[darjr]

I bet it’s probably outsold every ttrpg planescape book and box set combined. Already, while in preorder.

Note, this is not a nok on those things.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

You think "nuance and complication" are part of WotC agenda? At all? Quite the opposite I would say.

No. But YOU can have them drop alignment and still have alignment be a thing in your world if you want it to be. If an elemental plane is a roiling ball of chaos, you can call it a "Chaotic" plane if you like. It's an apt description. It doesn't necessarily need mechanical weight behind it for it to be so.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Maybe so, but if his art was like it was before it would have increased my chances of spending money on it, so at best you and I are a wash.

To about what percentage?

 

[Micah Sweet]

No. But YOU can have them drop alignment and still have alignment be a thing in your world if you want it to be. If an elemental plane is a roiling ball of chaos, you can call it a "Chaotic" plane if you like. It's an apt description. It doesn't necessarily need mechanical weight behind it for it to be so.

I can drop or create whatever I want, but there are two problems with this:

1. I pay for a book because it has things in it I want that I don't have to create. What is  this book likely to have that I want and that would justify the high price they're charging for it?

2. When the IP owner changes an IP, and then markets the heck out of that change, in all likelihood the public, and the industry, will go along with it. That means other creations based on that IP will reflect the changes, which means what I liked is essentially dead.

 

[Micah Sweet]

To about what percentage?

Depends on whether or not the book's any good, which despite my reservations I won't actually know until it comes out and the community tears it apart as they're want to do. Maybe 25% off the top of my head.

 

[Scribe]

No. But YOU can have them drop alignment and still have alignment be a thing in your world if you want it to be. If an elemental plane is a roiling ball of chaos, you can call it a "Chaotic" plane if you like. It's an apt description. It doesn't necessarily need mechanical weight behind it for it to be so.

If The Hells, are not a plane of "Law and Evil" with or without any mechanical weight, I'll die. Same for Mechanus and Law, and Limbo and Chaos, and on and on.

I'm not asking for much here.

 

[Micah Sweet]

If The Hells, are not a plane of "Law and Evil" with or without any mechanical weight, I'll die. Same for Mechanus and Law, and Limbo and Chaos, and on and on.

I'm not asking for much here.

They are the planes of belief, and belief is what Planescape is about. It's not supposed to just be a delightful romp across the Multiverse (although I'm sure that will be the theme of the new product).

 

[FitzTheRuke]

I can drop or create whatever I want, but there are two problems with this:

1. I pay for a book because it has things in it I want that I don't have to create. What is  this book likely to have that I want and that would justify the high price they're charging for it?

2. When the IP owner changes an IP, and then markets the heck out of that change, in all likelihood the public, and the industry, will go along with it. That means other creations based on that IP will reflect the changes, which means what I liked is essentially dead.

I generally agree with the thrust of the argument that D&D books should have more, not less content, even if not everyone uses it. I certainly don't mind the planes having alignment descriptors.

OTOH, alignment being a deal-breaker for people seems extreme to me.

If The Hells, are not a plane of "Law and Evil" with or without any mechanical weight, I'll die. Same for Mechanus and Law, and Limbo and Chaos, and on and on.

I'm not asking for much here.

I mean, if the nine hells were turned to NOT being places where Devils make contracts and sign deals, yeah - that would be weird and wrong. But I don't care much if mechanical alignment is used to describe that. YMMV.

 

[dave2008]

You really think WotC had any mind to the idea you posted? They're not exactly notable for their subtlety.

It doesn't matter to me.