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It's likely the DM can still salvage it. Or at least, will later learn how it could have been done.I see the OP's situation as more of a DM issue than a player issue.
It's likely the DM can still salvage it. Or at least, will later learn how it could have been done.I see the OP's situation as more of a DM issue than a player issue.
People assume things that have no validity all the time.
. Do you think I did anything wrong and how am I supposed to play this? I can't like forget that she is an evil lich.
"I've got a bad feeling about her. Can I get a feeling if I should trust her? Or perhaps since I've studied in history have I ever heard of her name or someone matching her description?"
actually from the late middle ages onward which is the best equivalent to FRs tech level, people did a lot of stunning things already.
if you can build a pocket watch (1400) a bicycle is piece of cake, yes it would not have rubber tires. In ancient Rome they had hydraulic ballistas, with a leather piston running inside a brass cylinder.
I have the same problem when a player rolls poorly on a search, then everyone wants to make a search roll. The character doesn't know what the player rolled.
For groups where suddenly everyone wants to search once they see a poor roll by one player, then group tasks come into play and a plurality of the characters need to succeed.
Using player knowledge that the character had no way to acquire is a bane of role playing.
I don't like it and I prefer players that do not take advantage of it.
The character didn't read the book, how would the character know that name?
I have the same problem when a player rolls poorly on a search, then everyone wants to make a search roll. The character doesn't know what the player rolled.
For groups where suddenly everyone wants to search once they see a poor roll by one player, then group tasks come into play and a plurality of the characters need to succeed.
um. um. HA HA. LOL. I quit reading Realm fiction before 3E; so looking at Amazon and some wiki, It appears she was not created until this decade. So are you hinting DMs must know ALL the Realms lore?Ideally, the DM should have guessed that using a famous character who has a secret would have just been a bad idea. However, once used, ideally the DM should have recognized immediately that using that name, sex, and race combination would clearly lead to this assumption, and had the quick wit to change something. For instance, the real so-and-so uses a disguise at all times.
It's likely the DM can still salvage it. Or at least, will later learn how it could have been done.
The DM didn't adjudicate any action by the player or character. The player just blurted out that the NPC is a lich to all other players. The DM had no input into the conclusion. Without knowing more about the character's background, it's hard to say whether or not the character would no anything about the NPC. If they are not from the Sword Coast or Thay, it is unlikely. And I'm not sure Valindra is well known as being a lich, especially outside of those regions. Even if you can make a reasonable explanation for why the character might know about Valindra, it still kinda takes the fun out of the game to spoil that surprise for everyone.Can you imagine there's a reasonable explanation in the context of a fantasy world in which the character think an NPC is a lich just by hearing his or her name? Or do you think the only possible way the character could have reached this conclusion is because the character read a book that exists only in the real world?
The reason "metagaming" may be happening in this example is because of how the DM adjudicated the action described by the player. Once again, this is an instance of the DM creating a situation where "metagaming" is incentivized, then expecting the players not to "metagame."
If the DM either called for no roll (because there's no uncertain outcome and/or no meaningful consequence for failure) or narrated the result of the failed check as being progress combined with a setback (the character finds something but it costs them or hinders them in some way) then the incentive to "metagame" is removed and the DM doesn't have to worry about the players "metagaming."