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Podcast #122: Nazi Dracula Must Die! with Justice Arman

This week, Morrus and Peter are joined by Justice Arman to talk about the 5e campaign setting Nazi Dracula Must Die! In the news, Cyberpunk RED Release Date, new episodes for Starfinder on Alexa, yet another Drizzt statue, Roll20 statistics report released, and more! Plus a brand new sketch featuring a confused potential apprentice.

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Hosts: Russ “Morrus” Morrissey and Peter Coffey

Editing and post-production: Darryl Mott

Kickstarter News Column used for the Kickstarter Game: Egg Embry

Theme Song: Steve Arnott

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Other 3PPs have published something about XX century battlefields, and new subclasses aren't enough. 5th Ed is not ready for modern firearms and technology. Nazi version of supernatural monsters isn't a new idea at all. And the real world could cause controversy. Do you remember how many games based in the WWII are with Japan as antagonist?

My suggestion is to create a fantasy fictional counterpart where the villains/antagonists are no-humans factions.
 

1988Sander31

Villager
Other 3PPs have published something about XX century battlefields, and new subclasses aren't enough. 5th Ed is not ready for modern firearms and technology. Nazi version of supernatural monsters isn't a new idea at all. And the real world could cause controversy. Do you remember how many games based in the WWII are with Japan as antagonist?

My suggestion is to create a fantasy fictional counterpart where the villains/antagonists are no-humans factions.
The problem with something put in the history period is there always people that know a lot about these periods and they don’t like inaccuracies even if you flaver them with fantasy

Also it looks just like a Nazi version of Strahd which is pretty unnecessary Because you can use the same themes with him
Because you can use the same films with him

I also Do not get why people always want guns
 


1988Sander31

Villager
Nazis being villains is not ‘controversial’, and I’d ask you to refrain from implying so.
They pretty much to go to Bad guys or violence or the basic blueprint it’s really nothing controversial everybody knows Natsu is a bad guys nobody likes Nazis seriously there is not a person that doesn’t know Nazis equals bad guys it’s actually kind of done to death by now but nobody minds more it’s just nothing controversial fresher new to the table I mean there was a “operation Nazis Smasher” that was a thing for Pf and DnD but did not care that much
 

The German Nazi-socialist were monsters, and we can use them as villains in fiction works, and also (the former-socialist) Mussolini's troopers, but not Japan, not now, neither to produce a remake of "55 Days at Peking" or a Disney's "Our Dinosaur is Missing" where the Asians are the antagonists. Even somebody is angry because in the last Call of Duty, set in the Cold War, the soviet communists are showed as the bad guys doing horrible things. The rules about being politically correct are changing, maybe too fastly.

There are some "panzer-punk" games where nazis are the villains, and it's OK.







No-Western powers can be antagonist faction in strategy games, but if these are ideologically neuters, for example Age of Empires, Empire Earth or Command & Conquer: Red Alert.

Of course we play games where we shoot against German stormtroopers, but today there are too many videogames about Nazi undeads, and Soviets como enemy faction is practically almost totally a taboo.

The 3PPs to publish settings set in the modern age they have to offer something can't be found in the SRD of d20 Modern. It's is not only vehicles and firearms. It is not only RPGs based in past historical ages, but also videogames and media productions. Fandom would rather sword&sorcery or sci-fi to forget troubles from the real life. And players know they can't alter the History if they play games based in previous ages.



I say again. Better to publish a fantasy dieselpunk, with other humanoids races besides the ordinary humans and where PCs are allowed to change the History.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
The German Nazi-socialist were monsters, and we can use them as villains in fiction works, and also (the former-socialist) Mussolini's troopers, but not Japan, not now, neither to produce a remake of "55 Days at Peking" or a Disney's "Our Dinosaur is Missing" where the Asians are the antagonists. Even somebody is angry because in the last Call of Duty, set in the Cold War, the soviet communists are showed as the bad guys doing horrible things. The rules about being politically correct are changing, maybe too fastly.
Since it seems I wasn't clear enough I'll be even clearer, using mod text this time: take your thoughts on political correctness elsewhere.
 

schneeland

Explorer
I hope Nazi Dracula Must Die hits its funding. I'm worried as it seems like its far away from hitting it still even with the extension it got.
Yeah, it's a bit of a shame. I suspect it works better if you do the usual trick of setting really low funding goals, then claim "funded in XX minutes/hours".
Backerkit's projection has it within the realm of possibility that they make it - so I hope they do, too!
(I pledged for the PDF, even though I have moved on from 5e for quite a while now - kicking both Nazis and vampires in the same adventure seems like a great option for some goofy fun).
 


Yeah, it's a bit of a shame. I suspect it works better if you do the usual trick of setting really low funding goals, then claim "funded in XX minutes/hours".
Backerkit's projection has it within the realm of possibility that they make it - so I hope they do, too!
(I pledged for the PDF, even though I have moved on from 5e for quite a while now - kicking both Nazis and vampires in the same adventure seems like a great option for some goofy fun).
Yeah. Plus there are ways of adding in some of DND's more fantasy choices to it and it will still fit in.(Example being: Reflavoring the Elves as The Fey instead or Warforged as Clockwork Augmented humans.)

Plus I'm not gonna lie: I'm trying to do a kind of Doom style 5E setting and I'm trying to get different classification of firearms to represent different grades of fire arms. And I'm using Firearms from 5E formats to replicate that notion. Such as using the firearms in Carbon 2185 to represent stronger military grade weaponry, while the DMG and Mercer's Gunslinger pdf's Firearms representing lower grade firearms. Imagine if your buddy has a Thompson Machine gun and your only armed with a ye old school Musket and you had to fight the Cyber Demon or Spider-Mastermind.

But I also love the idea and setting concept as well. And I figured this would make a nice prequel to my eventual 5E Hellboy games. And I've tried spreading news of this kickstarter. Don't know what else to do.
 
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M.T. Black

Explorer
Yeah, it's a bit of a shame. I suspect it works better if you do the usual trick of setting really low funding goals, then claim "funded in XX minutes/hours".
Yeah, from what I can see, if you don't fund within the first day or two, you get very little organic traffic from Kickstarter. Lesson learned.
 


Ramaster

Explorer
"Nazi Dracula Must Die!" is the least inspired name since "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter".

All of these themes have been done to death. And I say this totally bummed out, since the artwork on the kickstarter is actually pretty cool and the modern era is underexplored in RPGs nowadays. I just see this as a wasted oportunity.
 

Traveller

Explorer
As someone whose family (close and far) suffered terribly under the Nazi regime I find it distasteful to imply that they where anything but complete Human monstrosities.
Anything else implies that they can get off the hook - a Vampire (in D&D) is Evil by nature.
Humans are not, they have choice, and those that supported that ideology are Evil and not one dimensional D&D Monsters.
If you read the memories of the son of the commander of Auschwitz you hear about a "lovely" father that kisses his kids pats the dog and goes off to "work" - killing Jews. He is not a Vampire or a Ghoul, he is a Human bent on doing Evil.

 

Warren Ellis

Explorer
I think sometimes an issue about how we've used the Nazis so much as a goto bad guy is that we kind of forget the cold, ruthless horror of what they did.

Like I remember reading about this one extermination camp money sorter, for Auschwitz I think, and how it was mentioned at his trial that he looked like the kind of guy you'd pass by in a supermarket.

I also kind of think despite how we're taught about the Holocaust and other atrocities they did, the almost overuse of Nazis as enemy fodder has kind of made the sheer horror of what them almost become banal I guess?

I guess I kind of feel Nazis have been sort of done to death as a lazy evil you just mow down or are added in because Nazis = Evil in this sort of "expected" way I guess. It's almost kind of lazy sometimes I feel.

It's almost rote now a bit.

Does anyone understand what I'm trying to say?
 
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I guess you worry about horrible things happening because the honest people did nothing to avoid or to stop it, because they didn't notice yet, or the fear was too big. And the fiction about some real historical facts could cause trivialization of real tragedies.

And a good setting should allow to use different factions as antagonists or allies. We are used to the Saturday morning cartoon where the villain almost always is the same one, but in the TTRPGs fighting only with the archenemy may become boring. Players would rather higher variety of enemies and menaces. If you play the arcade videogame "Metal Slug" to shoot against the soldiers of the Rebel Army is fun, but betters with different enemies as those aliens, the zombies or the mummies.
 

I think sometimes an issue about how we've used the Nazis so much as a goto bad guy is that we kind of forget the cold, ruthless horror of what they did.

Like I remember reading about this one extermination camp money sorter, for Auschwitz I think, and how it was mentioned at his trial that he looked like the kind of guy you'd pass by in a supermarket.

I also kind of think despite how we're taught about the Holocaust and other atrocities they did, the almost overuse of Nazis as enemy fodder has kind of made the sheer horror of what them almost become banal I guess?

I guess I kind of feel Nazis have been sort of done to death as a lazy evil you just mow down or are added in because Nazis = Evil in this sort of "expected" way I guess. It's almost kind of lazy sometimes I feel.

It's almost rote now a bit.

Does anyone understand what I'm trying to say?
I can see how in a list of "Top Bad Guys 101 Hall of Fame" that Nazis seem the typical bad guy at the top of the list.

But the fact is: They suck. No matter what. We still don't forget the horrible things they did. They showed the world how much THE Bad Guy they were. And nothing will ever change that. They became a reminder on how the Human Race should NEVER be.

I'd rather have them be the go-to bad guy than ever not be the bad-guy.
 
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I also hope this gets funded. There've been plenty of Kickstarters that have gone over the top in the final hours, and we're still about a week out.

I'm fine with the nazis being pilloried in media and entertainment. Inglourious Bastards is probably my favorite Tarantino flick. The world should never forget that they were monsters, the villains of the story. Every time they are defeated in effigy, it reinforces that message.

As Orwell said (or didn't, quite): "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a nazi face - forever."
 

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