D&D 5E Poor Old Mystic The AD&D Legacy Trampled On!!!!

[Zardnaar]

With the Psion now being renamed to the mystic I feel sorry for the actual Mystic class.

What is the actual Mystic class?

Its an AD&D 2E Priest from Faiths and Avatars (page 186). They can cast spells from the all, animal, charm, divination, healing, protection, summoning, and travellersa with minor access to the guardian, necromantic and plant spheres.

They can't wear armor and have high charisma's and get to brew potions, ointments and use candle magic as well.

Having the Psion steal its name is an insult to my memories of this class (that I never played), and to Gygax's AD&D legacy. This is actually worse than the Warlord debacle, at least you can have hope they will make one. What they have done with the Psion means my hopes of a 5E mystic are fore ever dashed!!!!.

Crafting candles is iconic as a Warlord IMHO and is 12 years older. We need to let WotC know this is unacceptable and spend the next 3 years trolling the forums letting everyone know about this grave injustice. I am so outraged that my care factor has gone up from "not at all" to "marginally more than not at all". Its a complete and utter travesty!!!.

There are 46 Cleric subclasses in that book along with 3 new classes (Crusader, Mystic, Shaman).

So my appeal to you good forumites is support me in my Mystic crusade against WoTC corporate tyranny and save this iconic classes name being lumped in with Psionics.

Save my Mystic!!!!!!

 

[Tony Vargas]

With the Psion now being renamed to the mystic I feel sorry for the actual Mystic class.

What is the actual Mystic class?

Its an AD&D 2E Priest from Faiths and Avatars (page 186)

Hah! I feel sorry for the actual, actual Mystic, the 2e Wizard Kit! Yeah.

(Honestly, I never even cracked open Faiths and Avatars. But, I did play a Mystic-kit Wizard for a bit...

...actually, he was a Mystic Wizard Necromancer/ Prophet Priest of a Specific Mythos of Ancestors...

...because, y'know, D&D was a lot simpler back in 1990.)

Having the Psion steal its name is an insult to my memories of this class (that I never played), and to Gygax's AD&D legacy.
...Save my Mystic!!!!!!

No, save mine: it has seniority and I even played one for a couple levels.


But, semi-seriously, more importantly than stepping on some old kit or obscure sub-sub-class name, what's wrong with keeping a psionic class name Psion or Psionicist?

Y'know, that at least has 'psi' in it?

(And, for that matter, Ardent, Battlemind, or Psychic Warrior... if you're going to put something back in the game, you can at least flag it for anyone who might be looking for it.)

I mean, they kept Soul Knife, and wedged Wu Jen in there, of all things...?

 

[Fanaelialae]

With the Psion now being renamed to the mystic I feel sorry for the actual Mystic class.

What is the actual Mystic class?

Its an AD&D 2E Priest from Faiths and Avatars (page 186). They can cast spells from the all, animal, charm, divination, healing, protection, summoning, and travellersa with minor access to the guardian, necromantic and plant spheres.

They can't wear armor and have high charisma's and get to brew potions, ointments and use candle magic as well.

Having the Psion steal its name is an insult to my memories of this class (that I never played), and to Gygax's AD&D legacy. This is actually worse than the Warlord debacle, at least you can have hope they will make one. What they have done with the Psion means my hopes of a 5E mystic are fore ever dashed!!!!.

Crafting candles is iconic as a Warlord IMHO and is 12 years older. We need to let WotC know this is unacceptable and spend the next 3 years trolling the forums letting everyone know about this grave injustice. I am so outraged that my care factor has gone up from "not at all" to "marginally more than not at all". Its a complete and utter travesty!!!.

There are 46 Cleric subclasses in that book along with 3 new classes (Crusader, Mystic, Shaman).

So my appeal to you good forumites is support me in my Mystic crusade against WoTC corporate tyranny and save this iconic classes name being lumped in with Psionics.

Save my Mystic!!!!!!

I think the Mystic from the Rules Cyclopedia (BECMI) predates Faiths and Avatars. It was basically the monk class by another name. Therefore the actual mystic class is the monk.

 

[Lanliss]

Hah! I feel sorry for the actual, actual Mystic, the 2e Wizard Kit! Yeah.

(Honestly, I never even cracked open Faiths and Avatars. But, I did play a Mystic-kit Wizard for a bit...

...actually, he was a Mystic Wizard Necromancer/ Prophet Priest of a Specific Mythos of Ancestors...

...because, y'know, D&D was a lot simpler back in 1990.)

No, save mine: it has seniority and I even played one for a couple levels.


But, semi-seriously, more importantly than stepping on some old kit or obscure sub-sub-class name, what's wrong with keeping a psionic class name Psion or Psionicist?

Y'know, that at least has 'psi' in it?

(And, for that matter, Ardent, Battlemind, or Psychic Warrior... if you're going to put something back in the game, you can at least flag it for anyone who might be looking for it.)

I mean, they kept Soul Knife, and wedged Wu Jen in there, of all things...?

Not to beat the dead "sci-fi v. fantasy" horse, but all of the other classes sound like they could have been named by the people in their world. I don't buy an elf saying "You know what, we should call this Psionics."

Other elf- "sai-whatics?"

Elf 1-"Psionics. You know, like Psi power."

Elf 2-"What the hell is 'Psi', or 'Onics', and where did you EVER hear the word Psi?"

Mystic sounds like something that other people in the world might actually say, making it a much better name, imo.

 

[TheCosmicKid]

Not to beat the dead "sci-fi v. fantasy" horse, but all of the other classes sound like they could have been named by the people in their world. I don't buy an elf saying "You know what, we should call this Psionics."

Other elf- "sai-whatics?"

Elf 1-"Psionics. You know, like Psi power."

Elf 2-"What the hell is 'Psi', or 'Onics', and where did you EVER hear the word Psi?"

Mystic sounds like something that other people in the world might actually say, making it a much better name, imo.

You only raise the larger question of why these people are speaking English at all.

 

[Tony Vargas]

I don't buy an elf saying "You know what, we should call this Psionics."

Other elf- "sai-whatics?"

Elf 1-"Psionics. You know, like Psi power."

Elf 2-"What the hell is 'Psi', or 'Onics', and where did you EVER hear the word Psi?"

The conceit that common = English is a, well, common one, and English borrows heavily from Greek, in which the letter Psi is the first letter of the world psyche, which was adopted (or kidnapped) into English.

So the first half of 'psionics', psi for psyche, is already there in the 'Common' tongue, though presumably not via Greek.

-onics, though, yeah, it's kinda F'd.

Because, well, the story goes, "psionics" was coined by a 50s sci-fi writer by combining psyche, with the suffix then appearing /everywhere/ (kinda like ".com" in the late 90s), taken from "electronics."

It is, of course, far from the only sci-fi bit or blatant (or subtle) anachronism in D&D.


And there's no such obstacle to 'Ardent.'

 

[pukunui]

And there's no such obstacle to 'Ardent.'

You must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire and love you.

 

[Lanliss]

You only raise the larger question of why these people are speaking English at all.

Per Vargas below, it wouldn't matter anyway, unless you were playing in a world with electronics, or some other onics, that the elves might have an equivalent word for. Maybe Psianics (Psyche/Mechanics "workings of the mind"), or Psi-Agic/Psi-magic (Magic of the mind). Last one I can think of is maybe Psi-force (force of mind). Of course, I am relatively new blood, having only played 5E, so I know nothing about various sci-fi bleed in that was in past editions. The most I can say is that my world is purely fantasy, so Mystic works better.

 

[Mouseferatu]

Meh. Massive point loss for not actually going back as far as the original mystic.

3/10. Would not Order again.

 

[Mouseferatu]

(Capitalization of "Order" not accidental. )