[Potential SPOILERS] Enterprise - Course Correction?

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Picard has the same talent - I remember an episode (I watched a rerun of it a few weeks ago) where he was able to figure out that the two only survivors of a planetary raid from an unknown alien species were not what they claimed to be, but instead another kind of alien and a "copy" of his wife (who died during the raid)...

It was, in regards to getting to the "right" conclusion, very similar to Sherlock Holmes.

So, Starfleet Captains just can do these thinks. Probably it is a special ability of the Prestige Class "Starfleet Commanding Officer" or at least a Feat on their Bonus Feat list.

2Ranger REG:
Maybe they can`t and don`t want to stop making Startrek based series and movies - It is a very succesful franchise, and Paramount wants it to make as much money as possible - and since it still makes money, there is no reason to end it, even if some authors and producers think it would be better to pause for a while.

2John Crichton:
I know that Babylon 5 and DS9 aired around the same time, but that does not mean they didn`t have the problem - Sometimes, a story some authors of Bab5 might have thought of but didn`t implement yet would be used and already aired on DS9, or vice versa. And sometimes they didn`t notice their similarities, but the audience might, and found one or both of the series lacking creative ideas.
Some people accused the people on DS9 to copy the Babylon 5 story arc (Great interstellar War, Sisko/Sheridan as religious icon , introducing a warship to the station), even if many of the aspects seem to be logical developments or actings to please the audience. (I currently watch the DS9 reruns - the Dominion did already appear in the beginning of the 2nd season, but only as a mysterios figure in the background - there are some hints here and there, and it seems also as if the Dominion wasn`t very friendly and peaceful. It seems to me that it was a more or less planned storyline ...)

Mustrum Ridcully

 

[Umbran]

Sometimes, a story some authors of Bab5 might have thought of but didn`t implement yet would be used and already aired on DS9, or vice versa. And sometimes they didn`t notice their similarities, but the audience might, and found one or both of the series lacking creative ideas.

I think it's important to note that the writers and actors on TV series generally don't have a lot of time to watch television, which makes stealing ideas a bit difficult. Parallel evolution is a powerful force.

 

[Hand of Evil]

Something Star Trek can learn from Babylon 5 - have a SciFi writer on staff as a consultant. Harlan Ellison is the conceptual consultant for the series.

I am not going to get into which came first B5 or DS9, I am not!

 

[Brown Jenkin]

I think it's important to note that the writers and actors on TV series generally don't have a lot of time to watch television, which makes stealing ideas a bit difficult. Parallel evolution is a powerful force.

Which makes it that much more inconprehensible why ENT has so many stolen ideas.

 

[Umbran]

I am not going to get into which came first B5 or DS9, I am not!

The best way to not get into it is to not mention it at all

Who came first does not matter. In most meaningful ways, the similarities between the shows are superficial. They aren't telling the same stories. They aren't using the same characters. They don't have the same "feel and flavor".

Which makes it that much more inconprehensible why ENT has so many stolen ideas.

Not quite. Not having time to watch TV while you are working on a show is perhaps a reasonable block to stealing from another show that's in production concurrently - like the situation betwen B5 and DS9.

It isn't a block to stealing from earlier shows in the same franchise. Heck, considering how much of a pain in the patootie many Trek fans are about continuity, you'd expect material from the other shows to be required reading.

 

[myrdden]

Personally, I am going to wait and see what the changes bring. The show is on the cusp for me - if the new direction appeals to me I'll make more of a point to watch it. If they don't - then I won't. Already I have missed episodes simply because I haven't made an effort to watch or tape them because of indifference towards the show.

The bottom line is the show isn't clicking with me. I like certain elements of it (like the ship, some of the characters) but the whole package is falling flat for me.

Myrdden

 

[Cartolis]

mucking about in the past

I was both excited and dismayed when i heard about enterprise.

I was very happy that another trek show was coming out, and terrified at the premice of this new show.

so far I think that they have done ok, but there is deffinatly room for improvement.

I think they need to do a gut check and decide wether or not they want ths to be "my father's star trek"

if the answer is no then they need to fire the whole creative staff and start fresh. one of the reasons that this is feeling like a voyager/ds9/tng clone is they have the same people writing it.

time for new blood, and fresh ideas. not only that but currently there is no prime directive, or temporal directive and so on. they should run with that, and set up the klingon war, romulan war and so-on. focus on races known and unknown, and finally show the ones never seen before, or rarly talked about.

there is a whole wealth of information and ideas to draw from, they are simply not using it.

they are taking baby steps into space here, it should feel mystical and terrifing all at the same time. including the vulcan as advisors was a mistake( even though she is a hottie)


I really hope that they can make this turn around. several people that I know that are hard core trek fans threw in the towl with this series. they no longer watch, and thats a shame.

Cartolis

 

[LightPhoenix]

The best way to not get into it is to not mention it at all

Who came first does not matter. In most meaningful ways, the similarities between the shows are superficial. They aren't telling the same stories. They aren't using the same characters. They don't have the same "feel and flavor".

Or if you choose to believe one came first, admire the other for copying the ideas of a good show and using them to tell their own story.

 

[Ranger REG]

2Ranger REG:
Maybe they can`t and don`t want to stop making Startrek based series and movies - It is a very succesful franchise, and Paramount wants it to make as much money as possible - and since it still makes money, there is no reason to end it, even if some authors and producers think it would be better to pause for a while.

It was a very successful franchise. Now it is a very tiring franchise. As for making as much money as possible, it is like taking a dry towel and trying to wring out every last possible drop of water. They have milked it for all they can, what with the continued spinoffs, one after another, sometimes overlapping.

Simply put, they ran out of creative juice to impress their longtime fans.

Take a break. Make a Trek film every two years to keep the interest there, or follow George Lucas approach: let the fan reach a feverish demand for a new film or series.

I love Star Trek like the latest pop song, but if you keep playing it over and over and over and over and over and over and over... eventually, you worn it out and tired of playing it again.

I'm not asking Paramount to end the franchise, just take a break. Give us a break.

 

[Mark]

It was a very successful franchise. Now it is a very tiring franchise. As for making as much money as possible, it is like taking a dry towel and trying to wring out every last possible drop of water. They have milked it for all they can, what with the continued spinoffs, one after another, sometimes overlapping.

I don't see it. I do see that ST has always utilized ideas from other places and sometimes, now, they take an idea they have used before and put a new spin on it. It's just a television show. There's really nothing wrong with doing things that way.

Simply put, they ran out of creative juice to impress their longtime fans.

I doubt there is a longtime fan who has been watching as long as I since I watched the originals as a child. I'm still impressed more often than not and enjoying the show.

Take a break. Make a Trek film every two years to keep the interest there, or follow George Lucas approach: let the fan reach a feverish demand for a new film or series.

I address this below...

I love Star Trek like the latest pop song, but if you keep playing it over and over and over and over and over and over and over... eventually, you worn it out and tired of playing it again.

I know the feeling. I experience it each time I read your responses to an ST topic on these boards. Yeah. I know. Ignore you if I don't like it, and believe me I've strongly considered it, but somehow I keep thinking you might bring something new to the table. This tact of suggesting that since you, and some others, do not like the show it should be ended until you feel it can entertain you is new...but not universal.

I'm not asking Paramount to end the franchise, just take a break. Give us a break.

You really need to speak in the first person. I think that's probably the most anoying things about your opinion...the inability to speak only for yourself and leave others to do the same. If you need a break, take one, but your right to swing your fist ends just before my nose and I'd rather not be forced to take a break just because you need one. Why not give everyone a break, avoid the show, and then the people who like it can continue to enjoy watching and discussing it, and you will no longer feel this odd betrayal that seems to have spoiled ST for you.