Prayer Question - Cause Fear

[chitzk0i]

In 4th ed running is moving your speed+2 (with a move action) and doing grants your opponents combat advantage until your next turn.

This is true. However, the power does not state "the target takes the run action, moving its speed +2 away from you", the power simply states that the target moves its speed +2. Unless the power specifically says the target is taking the run action, then they don't give combat advantage.

 

[Lacyon]

This is true. However, the power does not state "the target takes the run action, moving its speed +2 away from you", the power simply states that the target moves its speed +2. Unless the power specifically says the target is taking the run action, then they don't give combat advantage.

No, but one of the OP's complaints was:

We ruled that it fled immediately, which allowed it to run directly back to its original position on its turn.

If it does this, it grants combat advantage to all foes for a turn.

 

[parcival42]

Is it not one of those powers that stays in effect until the target makes a successful save?

That would seem a reasonable ability for a Encounter power.

Seems to me it is missing "(save ends)" if it is going to be any good at all.

That's what I was thinking. It would make it much better for an encounter power...

 

[Lacyon]

That's what I was thinking. It would make it much better for an encounter power...

The power can already cause a medium creature to provoke as many as 7 Opportunity Attacks if your party is working together and the cleric bides his time in using it. I'm not sure beefing it up is really necessary.

 

[Professor Phobos]

My question is whether or not it works on people in good standing with the god in question. Of course I guess that question extends to all miracles cast by a cleric or paladin.

 

[Lacyon]

My question is whether or not it works on people in good standing with the god in question. Of course I guess that question extends to all miracles cast by a cleric or paladin.

I'm not a big fan of the idea that the gods are standing over the cleric's shoulders watching every move he makes. If the gods are doing that they may as well smite evil themselves instead of relying on the you to do it for them.

Pelor looked into your heart before he gave you that power, and he (mostly) trusts you to use your judgment. Sure, He'll periodically check up on you, because he wants to see how you're doing (and he knows you aren't perfect), but the juice isn't going to suddenly stop flowing every time you accidentally hit one of the good guys.

 

[parcival42]

The power can already cause a medium creature to provoke as many as 7 Opportunity Attacks if your party is working together and the cleric bides his time in using it. I'm not sure beefing it up is really necessary.

Well, that is an ideal situation. Most other encounter powers don't require you to wait for such a perfect time to use them. I would never get to use the power if I waited for such in the game we're playing at the moment, since we only have 3 players, and only one is interested in getting close enough to dish out OAs...

I guess we'll have to see if there's any difference in the PH version when it arrives...

 

[Professor Phobos]

Pelor looked into your heart before he gave you that power, and he (mostly) trusts you to use your judgment. Sure, He'll periodically check up on you, because he wants to see how you're doing (and he knows you aren't perfect), but the juice isn't going to suddenly stop flowing every time you accidentally hit one of the good guys.

Well, I just find it odd that a Cleric of X could shoot the Arch-Cleric of X in the face with divine fire. Presumably the God is granting the miracle everything the prayer goes up to him. If said god is happy with both clerics, why would he smite his own?

I'll probably say that cleric/paladin miracles don't work in such a circumstance, rare as they might be.

 

[Lacyon]

Well, I just find it odd that a Cleric of X could shoot the Arch-Cleric of X in the face with divine fire. Presumably the God is granting the miracle everything the prayer goes up to him. If said god is happy with both clerics, why would he smite his own?

The god isn't smiting his own. He's granting you the power to smite your foes. Periodically, he checks in to make sure you're using that power wisely.

I'll probably say that cleric/paladin miracles don't work in such a circumstance, rare as they might be.

I've got no problem with the idea that when you do that, the Arch-Cleric of X can call upon X to strip you of your powers (and that if it turns out you were justified, that Arch-Cleric's gonna have some 'splainin to do).

I've also got no problems with Pelor granting his arch-clerics hefty resistance from, say, radiant damage.

 

[Lacyon]

Well, that is an ideal situation. Most other encounter powers don't require you to wait for such a perfect time to use them. I would never get to use the power if I waited for such in the game we're playing at the moment, since we only have 3 players, and only one is interested in getting close enough to dish out OAs...

If you can get to 3 OAs, this power becomes competitive with most 1st-level Dailies in terms of potential damage output. Of course, you have to hit with the Will attack *and* the OAs, but them's the breaks.

It's definitely not as hot in smaller parties, though.