Probably a really basic question...

[Pazu]

Apologies if I've missed a rule somewhere, but:

If a cleric or druid takes a prestige class that gives spellcasting advancement, can the spells gained through advancement in the prestige class be converted to spontaneous healing/summoning? Or is spell conversion limited to the spells gained through advancement as a cleric or druid?

Thanks,
Pazu

 

[Jdvn1]

Yes indeed. They count toward the same thing.

 

[Rhun]

Yes indeed. They count toward the same thing.

I concur.

 

[Pazu]

Thanks!

--Pazu

 

[Jdvn1]

Otherwise, it'd kinda suck, huh?

 

[Eolin]

Wait a second ...

for the "+1 spellcasting class", absolutely. But for those that add entirely new spells (like holy liberator, iirc), those I don't think would.

 

[Deset Gled]

Wait a second ...

for the "+1 spellcasting class", absolutely. But for those that add entirely new spells (like holy liberator, iirc), those I don't think would.

Actually, the ability works with any class that uses prepared spells.

The cleric can “lose” any prepared spell that is not a domain spell in order to cast any cure spell of the same spell level or lower (a cure spell is any spell with “cure” in its name).

The key here is "any prepared spell". Thus the ability is not limited to cleric spells. Theoretically, a Cleric1/Wizard19 could spontaneously cast 9th level Cure spells.

 

[Terath Ninir]

Actually, the ability works with any class that uses prepared spells.

The key here is "any prepared spell". Thus the ability is not limited to cleric spells. Theoretically, a Cleric1/Wizard19 could spontaneously cast 9th level Cure spells.

I'd be willing to bet that quote is taken out of context -- not saying you're *intentionally* doing so, though; I do not suspect malice on your part. I am 100% certain that the ability applies only to cleric spells and I would be surprised if, in the full context of the Spells entry, it wasn't made clear that it applies only to cleric spells. And, on the off chance it isn't clear, then I'm still sure of what the intent was: it only applies to cleric spells.

 

[Brain]

Actually, the ability works with any class that uses prepared spells.

The key here is "any prepared spell". Thus the ability is not limited to cleric spells. Theoretically, a Cleric1/Wizard19 could spontaneously cast 9th level Cure spells.

See this recent poll thread for 99 people that disagree with that statement.

 

[Deset Gled]

I'd be willing to bet that quote is taken out of context -- not saying you're *intentionally* doing so, though; I do not suspect malice on your part. I am 100% certain that the ability applies only to cleric spells and I would be surprised if, in the full context of the Spells entry, it wasn't made clear that it applies only to cleric spells. And, on the off chance it isn't clear, then I'm still sure of what the intent was: it only applies to cleric spells.

The full text:

Spontaneous Casting: A good cleric (or a neutral cleric of a good deity) can channel stored spell energy into healing spells that the cleric did not prepare ahead of time. The cleric can “lose” any prepared spell that is not a domain spell in order to cast any cure spell of the same spell level or lower (a cure spell is any spell with “cure” in its name).
An evil cleric (or a neutral cleric of an evil deity), can’t convert prepared spells to cure spells but can convert them to inflict spells (an inflict spell is one with “inflict” in its name).
A cleric who is neither good nor evil and whose deity is neither good nor evil can convert spells to either cure spells or inflict spells (player’s choice). Once the player makes this choice, it cannot be reversed. This choice also determines whether the cleric turns or commands undead (see below).

The intent may be different, it might not be balanced, and it may contradict logic. But the rules still state "any prepared spell". Wizard spells are still prepared spells, and thus work.

To be honest, I probably wouldn't allow it in a game I was DMing. But it is a legally correct option by a strict reading of the text.

See this recent poll thread for 99 people that disagree with that statement.

What is right is not always popular, and what is popular is not always right. If the rest of ENWorld jumped into a dragon's lair, would you?