Psion vs. Cerebremancer vs. Psion Uncarnate

[wildstarsreach]

Base classes have no prerequisites, feats or otherwise, warforged or not, with the exception of Paragon classes, where you have to be that race...

Page 39 of Magic of Eberon. "In truth, psiforged are simply warforge who have taken the psiforged body feat (see page 51) at 1st level."

This being the case, it should be a requirement to take it at 1st level. Now, their NPC's that they built, have are assumed to have it and the PsyWar also has mithril body. The intent is only one body feat at 1st level. This wording clearly implies that you have to have this feat to be a Psionic warforged or psiforged. Otherwise you could take, mithril body and adamantine body and psiforge body and have the effects stack.

 

[Bacris]

Page 39 of Magic of Eberon. "In truth, psiforged are simply warforge who have taken the psiforged body feat (see page 51) at 1st level."

This being the case, it should be a requirement to take it at 1st level. Now, their NPC's that they built, have are assumed to have it and the PsyWar also has mithril body. The intent is only one body feat at 1st level. This wording clearly implies that you have to have this feat to be a Psionic warforged or psiforged. Otherwise you could take, mithril body and adamantine body and psiforge body and have the effects stack.

You are extrapolating causation based upon correlation. No entry in the psionic classes requires any feats to take them. In fact, taking levels in a psionic class grants you the psionic subtype - which only requires a power point reserve. Soulknife grants Wild Talent, PsyWar, Psion and Wilder all grant actual power points.

Your logic is flawed based upon what you perceive to be implied rules that are not actually the requirements.

 

[wildstarsreach]

You are extrapolating causation based upon correlation. No entry in the psionic classes requires any feats to take them. In fact, taking levels in a psionic class grants you the psionic subtype - which only requires a power point reserve. Soulknife grants Wild Talent, PsyWar, Psion and Wilder all grant actual power points.

Your logic is flawed based upon what you perceive to be implied rules that are not actually the requirements.

Consulting the rules, legally you are correct but I seriously think you are breaking the intent. "Just because you can do a thing doesn't mean you should do a thing." The Magic of Eberron inplies that a warforged who is psionic should be spending for the Psiforge Body Feat. Of course if you aren't playing Eberron I guess that goes out the window. I'm talking about intent here but feel free to ignore.

 

[Bacris]

Except you're therefore imposing a penalty on warforged - requiring them to spend their first level feat for a class that no other race has to spend a feat for.

I think you're misinterpreting the intention. It may be a GOOD IDEA for a warforged to take that feat, but it shouldn't be a requirement when any other race can take a level in a psionic base class without any feat cost.

 

[KarinsDad]

Consulting the rules, legally you are correct but I seriously think you are breaking the intent. "Just because you can do a thing doesn't mean you should do a thing." The Magic of Eberron inplies that a warforged who is psionic should be spending for the Psiforge Body Feat. Of course if you aren't playing Eberron I guess that goes out the window. I'm talking about intent here but feel free to ignore.

This is totally silly. This is not the intent.

What if you are not using the Magic of Eberron book?

What if you are just using the Eberron campaign source book?

You play a Warforged Psion. Then, the DM picks up the Magic of Eberron book. Is your PC suddenly illegal?

In truth, psiforged are simply warforge who have taken the psiforged body feat (see page 51) at 1st level.

This states that psiforged are warforged. They are a subset.

It does not state that all psionic warforged are psiforged.


But, if your POV that a Psiforged "should be" a requirement for a Psion Warforged were the designer's intent, then the class/race combo would be rules illegal.

In order to gain a first level feat, you have to take your first level class and race first (order of character abilities page 6 PHB). If you needed the Psiforged feat in order to be a Warforged Psion, the fact remains is that you could not be a Warforged Psion in the first place.

 

[Asmor]

In order to gain a first level feat, you have to take your first level class and race first (order of character abilities page 6 PHB). If you needed the Psiforged feat in order to be a Warforged Psion, the fact remains is that you could not be a Warforged Psion in the first place.

More amusingly (to me, at least), you COULD do it, but you'd need to take a level of something else first, most likely fighter to avoid exp penalties. So all psionic warforged would need to take a level of fighter to "prime" themselves. It's like how you turn the key on your car and it doesn't just start idling immediately.

 

[KarinsDad]

More amusingly (to me, at least), you COULD do it, but you'd need to take a level of something else first, most likely fighter to avoid exp penalties. So all psionic warforged would need to take a level of fighter to "prime" themselves. It's like how you turn the key on your car and it doesn't just start idling immediately.

Good point.

 

[Asmor]

I just can't help but picture a warforged now with one of those pulleys like you use for a lawnmower...

Of course, it'd be right in the middle of his back, where he can't reach it.

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