Racial flex stats are up!

[TarionzCousin]

My old Starpact Tiefling Warlock still needs a boost to all three stats, though.

But seriously, I'm glad they made this official. Now the whiner in my group will have to find something else to whine about.*







*Don't worry; he'll find something!

 

[Oldtimer]

There I fixed your statement for you.

Complete nonsense. Nothing illegal about modifying a program you have obtained legally.

Not to mention that FIFY quotes makes you look like a jerk.

 

[captainspud]

Complete nonsense. Nothing illegal about modifying a program you have obtained legally.

That's actually not true at all. All software that isn't open-source comes with an EULA that you theoretically are agreeing to abide by, and the majority of which specifically forbid you from modifying the product in any way. It's not something that's enforced in most cases, but it would ABSOLUTELY hold up in court if they ever bothered to call you on it.

So, yeah. Your statement is the complete opposite of true.

 

[Mengu]

Quick statistical counts for various pairing options for all races in the article table. In parenthesis is the number of classes the combination perfectly caters to (only including classes in CB, counting essentials classes as separate classes).

Dex/Wis: 7 (8)
Int/Cha: 6 (4)
Str/Con: 5 (5)
Con/Wis: 4 (7)
Dex/Int: 4 (2)
Dex/Cha: 4 (4)
Str/Wis: 3 (8)
Con/Dex: 3 (2)
Con/Cha: 3 (4)
Int/Wis: 3 (8)
Str/Dex: 2 (7)
Con/Int: 2 (5)
Wis/Cha: 2 (2)
Str/Int: 1 (2)
Str/Cha: 1 (4)

I may have missed something here and there, I had to make some fuzzy decisions on classes, but it looks like we could use a Str+Dex/Wis, and maybe an Int+Con/Wis race.

 

[Nemesis Destiny]

That's actually not true at all. All software that isn't open-source comes with an EULA that you theoretically are agreeing to abide by, and the majority of which specifically forbid you from modifying the product in any way. It's not something that's enforced in most cases, but it would ABSOLUTELY hold up in court if they ever bothered to call you on it.

So, yeah. Your statement is the complete opposite of true.

You have a strong point.

However, and this is a huge distinction - the software that we are discussing does not modify the character builder in any way, shape or form. It is entirely external.

As to a previous comment about having to delete or stop using it if no longer subscribing to DDI, which is itself ridiculous (if it's even true), most of the folks I know still using it (with "hacks" or not) are subscribers.

 

[webrunner]

That's actually not true at all. All software that isn't open-source comes with an EULA that you theoretically are agreeing to abide by, and the majority of which specifically forbid you from modifying the product in any way. It's not something that's enforced in most cases, but it would ABSOLUTELY hold up in court if they ever bothered to call you on it.

So, yeah. Your statement is the complete opposite of true.

Just a point, a lot of EULAs have been held to be unenforceable (the average EULA boilerplate actually violates contract law in several points)

That said, a case could be made that using the builder this way is a violation of the DMCA by circumventing the copy protection (ie, the login)

 

[Oldtimer]

All software that isn't open-source comes with an EULA that you theoretically are agreeing to abide by, and the majority of which specifically forbid you from modifying the product in any way. It's not something that's enforced in most cases, but it would ABSOLUTELY hold up in court if they ever bothered to call you on it.

Do you have any proof of that? I know for a fact that EULAs are invalid in my jurisdiction. Once you have purchased a product, you are basically free to use it in any way that doesn't violate the law. And EULAs are not part of the law.

On the other hand, this is getting very OT, so maybe we should let it rest.

 

[Nemesis Destiny]

Just a point, a lot of EULAs have been held to be unenforceable (the average EULA boilerplate actually violates contract law in several points)

That said, a case could be made that using the builder this way is a violation of the DMCA by circumventing the copy protection (ie, the login)

The fly in that particular ointment is that you only need the login and password to update the program, which you no longer need (or indeed can) do. I guess a case could be made, but it's a pretty weak one.

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

I think it is safe to say that the status of cbloader is at worst potentially ambiguous. I think it would be hard for anyone to argue that using it would be clearly an intentional violation of anything. Invoking the DMCA would be dubious and the EULA, even if it is perfectly enforceable is pretty ambiguous as well. Note too that the EULA has gone through various iterations and it could be pretty tough to win an argument that some newer version would be binding. Especially on someone who's no longer subscribing to DDI.

I wouldn't be too surprised if WotC went after people pirating the thing, but it would likely be fruitless to go after people hacking on the data files with cbloader. Perhaps they could convince Google to do a takedown on the project page. Doubt that would have much effect though.

 

[Vael]

Quick statistical counts for various pairing options for all races in the article table. In parenthesis is the number of classes the combination perfectly caters to (only including classes in CB, counting essentials classes as separate classes).

Dex/Wis: 7 (8)
Int/Cha: 6 (4)
Str/Con: 5 (5)
Con/Wis: 4 (7)
Dex/Int: 4 (2)
Dex/Cha: 4 (4)
Str/Wis: 3 (8)
Con/Dex: 3 (2)
Con/Cha: 3 (4)
Int/Wis: 3 (8)
Str/Dex: 2 (7)
Con/Int: 2 (5)
Wis/Cha: 2 (2)
Str/Int: 1 (2)
Str/Cha: 1 (4)

I may have missed something here and there, I had to make some fuzzy decisions on classes, but it looks like we could use a Str+Dex/Wis, and maybe an Int+Con/Wis race.

Adding in the two new races in Heroes of Shadow gives us two more DEX/CHA, another INT/CHA and another STR/CHA option. So, the only stat combo with only a single race is the STR/CHA genasi.

I was surprised that Genasi went the way they did, I would have given them a choice between INT and CHA, making them STR/CHA would have made them better Sorcerers and Paladins, both of which match their flavour, IMO. For a second INT/CON race, I would have given the honor to the Revenants, who have a strong Warlock connection, or even the Shadar-Kai.

I am surprised at the lack of STR/DEX races. Only Half-Orcs and Thri-Kreen? This to me, seems to be a place where you'd find a lot of races.