Ranger TWF and Drawing Weapons

[kreynolds]

I've always ruled that drawing a single weapon is a MEA and that you can't execute two MEAs at the same time.

Well, that would be an incorrect ruling according to the rules, unless the character has a BAB of 0. Page 128, PH, Table 8-4: Miscellaneous Actions, Move-Equivalent Actions...

†If you have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, you can combine one of these actions with a regular move. If you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat, you can draw two light or one-handed weapons in the time it would normally take you to draw one.

I think this is also stated somewhere else in the PH, but I'm not sure where. Hope that helps.

 

[Ysgarran]

I think this is also stated somewhere else in the PH, but I'm not sure where. Hope that helps.

Thanks,
All the two-weapon fighters in my group are going
to be very pleased...

Ysgarran.

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[kreynolds]

Thanks

No problem.

All the two-weapon fighters in my group are going
to be very please...

No doubt. I know I sure was when I found that passage.

 

[AuraSeer]

I'm not hearing a lot of dissention here. But you're still not giving me much that will help argue against such a literal reading.

I find that swift application of the R-LART* helps.

(*Rules-Lawyer Attitude Readjustment Tool. I.e., a nice long section of two-by-four, swung with conviction.)

 

[jontherev]

jontherev, I think he meant draw them for free as a move equivalent action or combined with a MEA.

Right, I got that. You 'fight' as though you had the feats. Like I said, in order to 'fight' with weapons, you need to draw them first right? My point is that drawing a weapon IS part of fighting. Unless, that is, you think you can kill someone by slamming your hips into them with your scabbarded short sword. How does one fight with TWF if they can't draw their weapon? If this debate reaches page 2, the world is going to implode.

 

[jontherev]

You've never seen the Infinite Monkeys list.

Just a guess

Nope.

 

[Cougar]

Well, unforunately what is clear to ALL of us here at the ENBoards, it doesn't seem clear where he came from. I haven't found any hard evidence for him either, which I think he is looking for.

There doesn't seem to be any place that says a virtual feat IS the exact same thing as a regular feat, but that is most assuredly what is implied. Email the Sage or Wizards if you can't resolve it to your satisfaction.

Edited because I made a stupid mean comment. I apologize.

 

[Radiating Gnome]

I am not sure how you can play with someone who doesn't see the stupidity of all this. Rules lawyers of those types are to be avoided, as they kill any fun the game may bring.

Hey, I appreciate the help, but you make it embarrassing to try to refer fellow players to this thread with this sort of namecalling. My friend, with whom I'm debating, plays a lot of RPGA and find that Infinite Monkeys suits his needs -- and he cited that message board as a source for his reading of the rules. That doesn't mean he's the be-all, end-all of rules lawyers.

I'm getting off track. The problem is that I came here for help -- perhaps some better sources for answers than I was finding, and just to check to see if I reading was right at all. I got that from this thread, but I also got the sort of abuse, like the quote above -- that will mean that anyone that I show this page to as a reference will take offense to the namecalling and not pay any attention to the debate.

You can't change someone's mind if you're calling them names at the same time. It just doesn't work.

-rg

 

[Cougar]

You are right. I was quick to judge. I removed the offending passage in my post. If you do the same, it will be like it never happened and you can direct whoever you want here.

However, to be fair to me, YOU called them a rules lawyer first. Is it ok for you to do so and not me?

Again, sorry if I made finding help more difficult.

 

[Cougar]

Actually, after I reread the entire thread, I saw MANY references to rules lawyers and other members general distaste for them. I didn't even begin the name calling OR the rules lawyer bashing.