Rate My Staves!!!

[JustKim]

Page 284 of the 3.5 DMG, the table at the top of the page, across from "Staff" and under "XP". In 3.0, page 242, on the table listed as "Spell has XP cost".

 

[Xath]

Ah, thanks! I'd never noticed that before.

 

[Evilhalfling]

You should put 2 charges on Heal, since otherwise this might as well be a 50 ch wand of heal. If it is more charges for a heal, pc's might consider using its other abilities instead.

I have a staff in my game called the Staff of the Acloyte
Cure light wounds 2ch
sanctuary 1 ch
Bless 1 ch

its a little less than 6k. It is given to journyman priests to teach the value of the more subtle spells avalible.

Wizards have a comperable staff, with magic missle, mage armor and silent image. With Magic missle costing 2 ch but cast at 9th level.

 

[Wolf72]

I like the 2 charges versions

 

[Terath Ninir]

I'd name the second staff the "Staff of Munchkinizing".

Evil Halfling, I like your staff ideas...

 

[Xath]

You should put 2 charges on Heal, since otherwise this might as well be a 50 ch wand of heal. If it is more charges for a heal, pc's might consider using its other abilities instead.

I don't think Heal can be made into a wand. 3.5 has been following a trend of only allowing certain spells to be put in wands. I don't believe Heal is one of them.

 

[Crothian]

I don't think Heal can be made into a wand. 3.5 has been following a trend of only allowing certain spells to be put in wands. I don't believe Heal is one of them.

Wands can only support up to 4th level spells, so you are correct.

 

[Xath]

Ok, cost adjusted for component and XP cost.

Healing (Greater): This white ash staff, with inlaid golden runes, allows use of the following spells:

• Cure Moderate Wounds, Mass (1 charge)
• Heal (2 charges)
• Greater Restoration (4 charges)

Strong Conjunction; CL 15th; Craft Staff, heal, mass cure moderate wounds, greater restoration; Price 70925gp

And my math, so you may correct me.

Masterwork Quarterstaff (300gp)
XP Cost ((XPx50x5)/#of charges to activate) 500x50x5=125000/4= 31250
Primary Spell: GR (375xspell levelxcaster level) 375 x 7 x 15 = 39375
Devide in half for each doubling of the charge cost. (4 charges, devide in half twice)
=9843.75
Secondary Spell: Heal (375xspell levelxcaster levelx.75) 375x6x15x.75= 25312.5
Takes 2 charges to activate = 12656.25
Tertiary Spell: CMWM (375xspell levelxcaster levelx.5) 375x6x15x.5= 16875

31250 + 9843.75 + 12656.25 + 16875 +300 = 70925gp

It takes 70-71 days to make, and costs 35463gp+9087xp to create

 

[Evilhalfling]

Thanks CZ

I don't think Heal can be made into a wand. 3.5 has been following a trend of only allowing certain spells to be put in wands. I don't believe Heal is one of them.

Yes I know, a wand of heal is out.
but in my mind staves are articfacts of rare power that represent a wizard/priest at the top of his game. The crunch of 3.5 supports this by saying basically "so you think you could cast it better? go ahead. "
If the staff is only used for one power it looses the unique excitement of the item, it might as well be a flavorless wand. They are usefull I will admit that, but nothing special.

As to the latest revison - the cure moderate for 1 charge or heal for two that looks like a tough decision, both have their uses and drawbacks but is anyone going to burn off 4 charges off this lovely item for a greater restore? a normal restore costs 100gp per spell
and almost as good - heal would fix almost anything this misses the only exception I found is 1 drained level instead of all drrained levels, but you could burn 4 ch of restore or one greater.

so its price would be
Masterwork Quarterstaff (300gp)

GP cost 100*50 = 5000
Primary Spell: CMWM (375xspell levelxcaster level) 375x6x15 =33750
Secondary Spell: Heal (375xspell levelxcaster levelx.75) 375x6x15x.75= 25312.5
Takes 2 charges to activate = 12656.25
Tertiary Spell: Restoration (375xspell levelxcaster levelx.5) 375x4x15x.5= 11250

Total 75,612 gp value to create (37,306 gp +3012 xp)
- 4000 gp less base price if you make heal the primary spell.
Ow. well I must have gone wrong some where.

P.S. oooh your caster level is only 11th (no 7th lvl spells) but I am to tired to refigure math.
erm why did you use 15th? you could have used 13th instead. If the wielder is higher level he can use it instead anyway.
EDIT : Aprox 55,000 base price - this I would use in a game, cept I don't paly many high lvl games.

 

[Staffan]

Ok, cost adjusted for component and XP cost.

Healing (Greater): This white ash staff, with inlaid golden runes, allows use of the following spells:

• Cure Moderate Wounds, Mass (1 charge)
• Heal (2 charges)
• Greater Restoration (4 charges)

Strong Conjunction; CL 15th; Craft Staff, heal, mass cure moderate wounds, greater restoration; Price 70925gp

And my math, so you may correct me.

Masterwork Quarterstaff (300gp)
XP Cost ((XPx50x5)/#of charges to activate) 500x50x5=125000/4= 31250
Primary Spell: GR (375xspell levelxcaster level) 375 x 7 x 15 = 39375
Devide in half for each doubling of the charge cost. (4 charges, devide in half twice)
=9843.75
Secondary Spell: Heal (375xspell levelxcaster levelx.75) 375x6x15x.75= 25312.5
Takes 2 charges to activate = 12656.25
Tertiary Spell: CMWM (375xspell levelxcaster levelx.5) 375x6x15x.5= 16875

31250 + 9843.75 + 12656.25 + 16875 +300 = 70925gp

It takes 70-71 days to make, and costs 35463gp+9087xp to create

Let's see what my math says.

First, let's start with the base price:
In order to get that, let's calculate the non-discounted base prices of the included spells. I'll use a caster level of 13, since we don't have any spells above 7th level in the staff.
Greater Restoration: 7*13*750/4 = 17,062.5
Heal: 6*13*750/2 = 29,250
Mass Cure Moderate Wounds: 6*13*750 = 58500

With a 25% discount for the second most expensive spell and a 50% discount for the third and following most expensive ones, we get:
58,500 + 29,250*.75 + 17,062.5*.5 = 88,968.75. Let's round that off to 89,000

This base price then gives us a couple of values:
Component cost: Base price / 2 = 44,500
Time taken: Base price / 1,000 = 89 days
Base XP cost: Base price / 25 = 3,560

In addition to these base costs, we have the following additional costs:
Masterwork staff: 600 gp
XP cost for Greater Restoration: 500 XP * 50 charges / 4 charges per use = 6,250 XP

This gives us a total cost to create of:
Gold: Component cost plus cost of MW staff = 44,500 + 600 = 45,100
XP: Base XP cost plus extra for Greater Restoration = 3,560 + 6,250 = 9,810

And finally the market price:
Base price + extra components + 5* extra XP = 89,000 + 600 + 5*6,250 = 120,850