Rate Terminator Salvation
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cignus_pfaccari
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Woo, first three star!
It was reasonably fun. It wasn't a great movie by any stretch of the imagination, but better than T3, and provided a sufficiency of automatic weapons fire and EXPLOSIONS to tide me over until Transformers. McG sure can do an action sequence.
And the use of
worked a lot better than I thought it would.
I was vaguely surprised by the level of resources available to the Resistance, but thinking about it, it's not particularly likely that Judgment Day destroyed all human military equipment, and there may have been some bases and depots left untargeted due to the general drawdown of US and Russian warhead inventories. And, let's be honest, trying to think about it is just asking for trouble.
Brad
It was reasonably fun. It wasn't a great movie by any stretch of the imagination, but better than T3, and provided a sufficiency of automatic weapons fire and EXPLOSIONS to tide me over until Transformers. McG sure can do an action sequence.
And the use of
Arnold as the T-800
I was vaguely surprised by the level of resources available to the Resistance, but thinking about it, it's not particularly likely that Judgment Day destroyed all human military equipment, and there may have been some bases and depots left untargeted due to the general drawdown of US and Russian warhead inventories. And, let's be honest, trying to think about it is just asking for trouble.
Brad
Arnwyn
First Post
3 stars. A pretty decent movie, and considerably better than I thought it would be. I'd say it's a million times better than T3, but we all know there's no such movie.
Since one cannot rate what one hasn't seen, I'm not going to hide spoilers here.
Pretty much every criticism you've read from the movie reviewers holds true. It's disjointed, parts skip by too quickly, etc. The plot and story is mediocre, at best (though no worse, and maybe even a bit better, than the woeful mess of a plot that was Star Trek). Certain things that they bring up (like that one 'transmission' thing to turn off the machines) have little effect on the overall story. Some of the dialogue was the typical bad cliched stuff - sometimes terrible (so much so that right in the middle of the movie you'll ask yourself "Who writes this stuff?!"). And it is very predictable.
However, even with the movie's (many) flaws, it's still pretty darn good. Bale should be damn embarassed about his tirade about the cinematographer - it's that damn cinematographer that likely helped save your movie from the otherwise normally wretched McG. There was virtually no shaky cam, and many action scenes had the camera pulled right back and steady so you could see what was going on and the effects of whatever battle was currently raging. As cignus pfaccari noted above, the action sequences sure were impressive.
What I really appreciated was the internal consistency with the rest of the Terminator movies. John Connor certainly seemed like John Connor. He played the same GnR song from T2 during a nifty sequence in which it was very appropriate - quick and to the point, too. There was a great superimposed/CG cameo of a T-800 that we all know and love, and that really worked. And for me, the biggest thing: this movie really explained why Skynet gets into such a tizzy about Connor and starts developing a time travel device. We always wondered: why is Connor so important? Are the all-powerful machines actually losing or at least, are the humans holding their own? Yes... yes they are. Very cool.
And no time travel!
Since one cannot rate what one hasn't seen, I'm not going to hide spoilers here.
Pretty much every criticism you've read from the movie reviewers holds true. It's disjointed, parts skip by too quickly, etc. The plot and story is mediocre, at best (though no worse, and maybe even a bit better, than the woeful mess of a plot that was Star Trek). Certain things that they bring up (like that one 'transmission' thing to turn off the machines) have little effect on the overall story. Some of the dialogue was the typical bad cliched stuff - sometimes terrible (so much so that right in the middle of the movie you'll ask yourself "Who writes this stuff?!"). And it is very predictable.
However, even with the movie's (many) flaws, it's still pretty darn good. Bale should be damn embarassed about his tirade about the cinematographer - it's that damn cinematographer that likely helped save your movie from the otherwise normally wretched McG. There was virtually no shaky cam, and many action scenes had the camera pulled right back and steady so you could see what was going on and the effects of whatever battle was currently raging. As cignus pfaccari noted above, the action sequences sure were impressive.
What I really appreciated was the internal consistency with the rest of the Terminator movies. John Connor certainly seemed like John Connor. He played the same GnR song from T2 during a nifty sequence in which it was very appropriate - quick and to the point, too. There was a great superimposed/CG cameo of a T-800 that we all know and love, and that really worked. And for me, the biggest thing: this movie really explained why Skynet gets into such a tizzy about Connor and starts developing a time travel device. We always wondered: why is Connor so important? Are the all-powerful machines actually losing or at least, are the humans holding their own? Yes... yes they are. Very cool.
And no time travel!
frankthedm
First Post
Depends on the standard it is being held to.
For being as good as it was when it is a 4th movie in a series, forced by the studio down to a PG-13 & had a major plot point spoilered by jackass movie promoters, i think it earned 4.5.
For being as good as it was when it is a 4th movie in a series, forced by the studio down to a PG-13 & had a major plot point spoilered by jackass movie promoters, i think it earned 4.5.
3 Stars: the movie is good and the action is there but I felt the "disjoined" because this is two movies in one, you have John Conner and you have Marcus, they just did not really click together. Just as soon as you started to get into the one, it switched to the other. this hurt story and pace.
Also, too much shown in the trailers...way too much.
Oh, hate to say this but Screamers 1995 with Peter Weller, was a better movie with much the same plot, this one just had Terminators.
Oh, more Moon Bloodgood! She needs to take over the void of hot female action lead, that is normally filled by Kate and Jolie.
Also, too much shown in the trailers...way too much.
Oh, hate to say this but Screamers 1995 with Peter Weller, was a better movie with much the same plot, this one just had Terminators.
Oh, more Moon Bloodgood! She needs to take over the void of hot female action lead, that is normally filled by Kate and Jolie.
Bullgrit
Adventurer
The plotting and writing was stupid. The sets/scenery was stupid. So many stupid things in this movie to the point that I just completely lost it. It's like it was written for 13 year olds.
Let me take just one theme of stupidity: Fire.
Los Angeles, years after Judgement Day -- there are still little fires burning in the streets.
Can't go out at night because the HKs have infrared sight. But let's build a fire to keep warm. Go find stuff to build a fire. Ignore that there are 3 fires already burning within 30' of us. But the fire isn't warm enough, let's snuggle up to each other for body warmth.
Skynet City looks like a 19th-century industrial town with fire/smoke stacks and random fireballs erupting from the ground.
I could list twenty more things that were just stupid. Stupid.
If not for the top-notch special effects, this would be a grade B movie.
Bullgrit
Let me take just one theme of stupidity: Fire.
Los Angeles, years after Judgement Day -- there are still little fires burning in the streets.
Can't go out at night because the HKs have infrared sight. But let's build a fire to keep warm. Go find stuff to build a fire. Ignore that there are 3 fires already burning within 30' of us. But the fire isn't warm enough, let's snuggle up to each other for body warmth.
Skynet City looks like a 19th-century industrial town with fire/smoke stacks and random fireballs erupting from the ground.
I could list twenty more things that were just stupid. Stupid.
If not for the top-notch special effects, this would be a grade B movie.
Bullgrit
Krug
Newshound
It was so so. The second half was better than the jerky first half, and too many silly explosions, but I guess that's McG's limited vocabulary. Think the trailers have pretty much spoiled the story for everyone, though even without it, I think most everyone would know Marcus was a Terminator.
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