do you think Arnold the T800 have retired in future Terminator franchise?

[SableWyvern]

Terminator shows/movies I should watch

Terminator the Sarah Conner Chronicles.

Yes, you really, really should. It was excellent. I have to go back and edit my previous post, now.

 

[SableWyvern]

Really? Because I can think of a whole bunch of very successful time travel movies with very dodgy reasoning: Back to the Future, Star Trek IV, Avengers: Endgame...

And the best of all: Future Man.

 

[Anonym]

I actually didn't mind Genisys or whatever that one was called.

Terminator movies I actually really liked...

Terminator
Terminator 2

Ones that I enjoyed, though I wouldn't say I thought they were great...

Terminator 3
Terminator Genisys

Ones that were absolute trash and I struggled to get through them and even today I'm not sure I remember everything about them they were so bad....

Terminator Salvation
Terminator Dark Fate.

I really don't understand why people liked Dark Fate. Salvation just...didn't seem to go along with what the other movies had said was supposed to happen previously. John Was not really the leader of the resistance and was more like...just sort of there...

It was kind of a dark movie and somewhat boring. It didn't have the flashy battles I thought it might have either, and even the heroes were somewhat stupid.

Genisys didn't make a ton of sense either and had a disconnect for me (perhaps it was because I was so bored in Salvation that I missed something), but at least it was somewhat entertaining to me and I could at least follow along with the plot a lot easier. I know people hated that John Conner turned bad in that (which also creates or should create some weird paradoxes...but hey...whatever), but it had Emilia Clarke so I can forgive it of that one.

However, if the entire Sarah Conner suddenly has a pet Terminator out of nowhere for no reason and I really don't understand how that happened with John turning evil...turned people off and they hated that...I can't understand why anyone would have even considered Dark Fate as good. It was worse than Genisys in every category (and took the absurdity to an even greater extreme than those before...plus had some disconnects just as large if not larger from the entire history of 1 and 2 than even Genisys...it's like the one who should have known how it all connected had a brain fart and forget 75% of what they produced and directed in Terminator 1 and 2)!!!

Plus, I got bored in Dark Fate as well and had a hard time finishing that movie. I probably have forgotten most of the last third of that movie it bored me to death so much.

Terminator shows/movies I should watch

Terminator the Sarah Conner Chronicles.

One of the reasons I like Dark Fate more is because I like the REV-9. In fact, it's the only reason I like this movie.
Sure, it's actually a pretty weak model of Terminator, but it performs well and its design is great————even more brillant than that badass T-X and ridiculous nanoswarm T-3000.

yes,T-X and T-3000 are surely far more powerful than REV-9,but they're not as powerful as they should be in the movies.
especially In GENESYS, the characters spend more than half the time fighting a T1000, and then suddenly a T3000 pops up and is described as being incredibly powerful——————but you only fight it half the time and show us how powerful it is.
it just like cheap superheroes bullshits————they are described as being so powerful that they can decide the fate of the universe, yet when they fight, all they do is just destroy some building and throw their opponents around and test the hardness of walls by their backs.,

 

[Zardnaar]

Yes, you really, really should. It was excellent. I have to go back and edit my previous post, now.

So so good.

 

[briggart]

I enjoyed Salvation and Dark Fate more than T3.

Salvation would have probably benefitted from removal of the human-terminator hybrid plotline. It seemed much more technologically advanced given that at that point in time Skynet was just prototyping the T-800. Nonetheless, I would have liked sequels further exploring the future war.

Dark Fate could have used a tighter editing, but overall I liked it. Some stupidity could have been avoided by future Dani telling Grace: "You'll meet Sarah. She'll be a friend and teach me how to fight terminators, so just play ball and try to get along with her" before sending her back, but that's the beauty of time travel.

Genysis was the worst of the bunch by a lot. Jai Courtney and Emilia Clarke really did not work for me as the lead characters.

At this point, the main appeal of the franchise to me is the future human-machine war, either in the original Skynet timeline or the Legion timeline. The former would appeal to a large audience, but the latter can do away with Arnold easily.

But the killing-machine-from-the-future story has been done to death, and I'd be glad if they let it rest for the foreseeable future.

 

[aco175]

Ask Rocky when enough is enough.

 

[Kaodi]

Really? Because I can think of a whole bunch of very successful time travel movies with very dodgy reasoning: Back to the Future, Star Trek IV, Avengers: Endgame...

I should have probably said "movie series" . Back to the Future may be an exception. But Terminator just keeps rehashing the same thing over and over. Not only is SkyNet "inevitable" for some reason but so is the exact design of the terminators. That is messed up. And why does SkyNet not just send more terminators to the same point in time?

But the high point for most of the movies for me after T2 is who I remember being in them. I had known Kristanna Loken from Mortal Kombat: Conquest, everyone knows who Emilia Clarke is, and Linda Hamilton is the Terminator GOAT.

 

[payn]

One of the reasons I like Dark Fate more is because I like the REV-9. In fact, it's the only reason I like this movie.
Sure, it's actually a pretty weak model of Terminator, but it performs well and its design is great————even more brillant than that badass T-X and ridiculous nanoswarm T-3000.

yes,T-X and T-3000 are surely far more powerful than REV-9,but they're not as powerful as they should be in the movies.
especially In GENESYS, the characters spend more than half the time fighting a T1000, and then suddenly a T3000 pops up and is described as being incredibly powerful——————but you only fight it half the time and show us how powerful it is.
it just like cheap superheroes bullshits————they are described as being so powerful that they can decide the fate of the universe, yet when they fight, all they do is just destroy some building and throw their opponents around and test the hardness of walls by their backs.,

I think the above highlights the second trap of the Terminator series. In that each following film has to have a bigger, scarier, terminator threat. Arnold is the face of the brand, but obviously he keeps coming back. Though, at 75 years old I doubt he will be back again. So, thats why you keep getting these new human hybrid stand ins, adding the second trap issue to protagonist characters as well.

The first real trap though is that Sarah and John Conner are of utmost importance and the future cant be rewritten, but is actually fate. Despite the third film essentially recycling all the action sequences and second trap adherence of T2, it was a decent wrap up of the trilogy stating as much. The franchise has struggled somewhere between reboot and sidestepping, until Dark Fate where they went full blown Last Jedi on the franchise. They essentially unbuckled the franchise from John Conner while also keeping Arnold and Hamilton. Which blurs the line between holding fast to the franchise, and busting loose for future story potential.

My opinion is that you have a franchise mainline and a surrounding universe. This would be Sarah and John Conner with the T800 locked into a fate loop, then you have terminator stories in the past, present, and future that are adjacent to the main line. They eventually did this with Star Wars, but as you can see with the polar experiences with Last Jedi, the main line is no place to eff around and find out.

 

[Theory of Games]

There never should've been a sequel. Didn't make sense with what Reece said about SkyNet being defeated and the time-travel thing being the machines' last chance. This is why time-travel is so hard to write. But, the Terminator and Matrix films (both adapted from a script by Sophia Stewart, which was literally stolen) have made Hollywood a Smaug-sized hoard of loot.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

But, the Terminator and Matrix films (both adapted from a script by Sophia Stewart, which was literally stolen) have made Hollywood a Smaug-sized hoard of loot.

I should point out that the bolded bit is a berserk and demented conspiracy theory with absolutely no basis in fact.

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It's wild as hell that 20 years later people are still repeating this absolutely batshit conspiracy theory, that's been disproven several times over, as if it were simple fact we all know. I realize Stewart, who promotes the theory and openly lies that she "owns" both franchises, is still around, but come on.

The original Terminator was inspired by Harlan Ellison's work, and Ellison won in court because Cameron foolishly admitted this in an unpublished interview with Starlog (the SF mag).

The Matrix obviously draws from a number of sources but no specific one significantly enough to get lawsuited.