do you think Arnold the T800 have retired in future Terminator franchise?

[Ruin Explorer]

Show me the proof that you know exactly what I know concerning Sophia Stewart v. Hollywood.

I already did lol. You quoted it. Go read the links. You clearly didn't.

You're roaming too far to make your point. Your argument stumbles into false attribution because you assume judges and juries can't be biased. That's just one of your mistakes.

LOL as I explained, her case never got anywhere near a jury, and there was no opportunity for a judge to be biased.

Her case was dismissed because she didn't even turn up. That would happen to anyone who didn't turn up! That's not bias. You have to turn up, that's how the law works.

So explain how judges and juries factor in to Stewart's case, would you?

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I’m starting a business selling batteries for tinfoil hats. Who wants to subscribe to my Kickstarter?

 

[The Soloist]

How do you know what facts I have or don't have? Do you? Show me the proof that you know exactly what I know concerning Sophia Stewart v. Hollywood.

You're roaming too far to make your point. Your argument stumbles into false attribution because you assume judges and juries can't be biased. That's just one of your mistakes.

I'd let it go before the red text shows up

Old hoax about ‘Matrix,’ ‘Terminator’ films persists online

An old hoax that the lucrative "Matrix" and "Terminator" film franchises forked over billions of dollars to a woman who

www.politifact.com

 

[Morrus]

How do you know what facts I have or don't have? Do you? Show me the proof that you know exactly what I know concerning Sophia Stewart v. Hollywood.

You're roaming too far to make your point. Your argument stumbles into false attribution because you assume judges and juries can't be biased. That's just one of your mistakes.

I'd let it go before the red text shows up

Too late.

With multiple warnings for insulting either users, and deliberate spreading of factual disinformation, and not seeing change in your behaviour as a result, let me be clear: you next warning (which I predict will not be far off) will be your last. Be nice, or leave. I hope that’s clear.

 

[Umbran]

C) I'm sure scripts have been stolen - there's some evidence, for example, that the concept for B5 was suggested by an executive who had seen the B5 script, to the people who made DS9 (who had no idea they were being handed a "borrowed" idea).

I know nothing, and care less, about the argument you are having. However, this is an interesting bit. Bringing up this theft is a bit ironic.

J. Michael Straczynski, the person who may have been stolen from in this instance, has thoughts on ideas in writing. Excerpted from his book Becoming a Writer, Staying a Writer: The Artistry, Joy, and Career of Storytelling, published by BenBella Books:

"... ideas are worthless, a dime a dozen. Give ten writers the same basic idea and you’ll get back eleven stories. What matters is the execution of that idea (rather than its assassination), which is entirely a function of the person writing it."

He continues...

"As much as we like to think we’ve come up with an idea no one’s thought of before, the odds are pretty good that whatever we’ve stumbled upon has been encountered by other writers over the long course of human history. That should not be taken to mean that there is nothing new under the sun, or that all art is just reinterpretation of what went before, justifications that are often used for plagiarism and excessive sampling. There is a profound difference between an idea, which can be, and in many cases is, generic or broadly thematic, and the expression of that idea in ways that are unique to the artist and specific to the time and culture in which it is created.

It’s the interpretation of an idea that makes it feel fresh; by the time it comes out the other end of the crazy-straw of your particular talent as a finished work, it looks like nothing that’s been done before because you haven’t been here before."

Nobody can watch B5 and DS9 and mistake them for each other. If someone "stole" his ideas, they stole something worthless, and went on to do their own thing with it.

 

[Zardnaar]

I know nothing, and care less, about the argument you are having. However, this is an interesting bit. Bringing up this theft is a bit ironic.

J. Michael Straczynski, the person who may have been stolen from in this instance, has thoughts on ideas in writing. Excerpted from his book Becoming a Writer, Staying a Writer: The Artistry, Joy, and Career of Storytelling, published by BenBella Books:

"... ideas are worthless, a dime a dozen. Give ten writers the same basic idea and you’ll get back eleven stories. What matters is the execution of that idea (rather than its assassination), which is entirely a function of the person writing it."

He continues...

"As much as we like to think we’ve come up with an idea no one’s thought of before, the odds are pretty good that whatever we’ve stumbled upon has been encountered by other writers over the long course of human history. That should not be taken to mean that there is nothing new under the sun, or that all art is just reinterpretation of what went before, justifications that are often used for plagiarism and excessive sampling. There is a profound difference between an idea, which can be, and in many cases is, generic or broadly thematic, and the expression of that idea in ways that are unique to the artist and specific to the time and culture in which it is created.

It’s the interpretation of an idea that makes it feel fresh; by the time it comes out the other end of the crazy-straw of your particular talent as a finished work, it looks like nothing that’s been done before because you haven’t been here before."

Nobody can watch B5 and DS9 and mistake them for each other. If someone "stole" his ideas, they stole something worthless, and went on to do their own thing with it.

This we got two good Sci fi shows that used a space station as it's main area.

Beyond that they're very different.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I know nothing, and care less, about the argument you are having. However, this is an interesting bit. Bringing up this theft is a bit ironic.

J. Michael Straczynski, the person who may have been stolen from in this instance, has thoughts on ideas in writing. Excerpted from his book Becoming a Writer, Staying a Writer: The Artistry, Joy, and Career of Storytelling, published by BenBella Books:

"... ideas are worthless, a dime a dozen. Give ten writers the same basic idea and you’ll get back eleven stories. What matters is the execution of that idea (rather than its assassination), which is entirely a function of the person writing it."

He continues...

"As much as we like to think we’ve come up with an idea no one’s thought of before, the odds are pretty good that whatever we’ve stumbled upon has been encountered by other writers over the long course of human history. That should not be taken to mean that there is nothing new under the sun, or that all art is just reinterpretation of what went before, justifications that are often used for plagiarism and excessive sampling. There is a profound difference between an idea, which can be, and in many cases is, generic or broadly thematic, and the expression of that idea in ways that are unique to the artist and specific to the time and culture in which it is created.

It’s the interpretation of an idea that makes it feel fresh; by the time it comes out the other end of the crazy-straw of your particular talent as a finished work, it looks like nothing that’s been done before because you haven’t been here before."

Nobody can watch B5 and DS9 and mistake them for each other. If someone "stole" his ideas, they stole something worthless, and went on to do their own thing with it.

Yeah JMS definitely got over it with style, but he was quite upset about it for a few years. So I don't think it's exactly irony as much as coming to realize something didn't hugely matter in the end. He didn't sue because he felt it would cause problems for both productions but threatened during DS9 development that if more similarities came to light that already existed, he might have to.

I think his annoyance was heightened as Deep Space 9 actually beat Babylon 5 to market, which lead to a lot of people to assume DS9 was the "original" idea and B5 some sort of imitation of it, and this idea bounced around the early internet a fair bit (where JMS was quite active). This was a really common assertion in the early-mid 1990s online Star Trek community, and it wasn't until like, the late '90s people generally became aware this wasn't true. Somewhere I think I still have a 1993 "fanzine" (of incredibly high production quality, including colour plates, and bound like a softcover book) about Deep Space 9, which contained a very sneering and dismissive few paragraphs on Babylon 5 (including implying it was a copycat), which informed my rather-ignorant 15-year-old opinion of it initially.

Both shows were so good though, so I definitely don't regret that some dodgy Paramount executive may have made some suggestions based on having read JMS' B5 materials a couple of years earlier.

 

[payn]

Yeah JMS definitely got over it with style, but he was quite upset about it for a few years. So I don't think it's exactly irony as much as coming to realize something didn't hugely matter in the end. He didn't sue because he felt it would cause problems for both productions but threatened during DS9 development that if more similarities came to light that already existed, he might have to.

I think his annoyance was heightened as Deep Space 9 actually beat Babylon 5 to market, which lead to a lot of people to assume DS9 was the "original" idea and B5 some sort of imitation of it, and this idea bounced around the early internet a fair bit (where JMS was quite active). This was a really common assertion in the early-mid 1990s online Star Trek community, and it wasn't until like, the late '90s people generally became aware this wasn't true. Somewhere I think I still have a 1993 "fanzine" (of incredibly high production quality, including colour plates, and bound like a softcover book) about Deep Space 9, which contained a very sneering and dismissive few paragraphs on Babylon 5 (including implying it was a copycat), which informed my rather-ignorant 15-year-old opinion of it initially.

Both shows were so good though, so I definitely don't regret that some dodgy Paramount executive may have made some suggestions based on having read JMS' B5 materials a couple of years earlier.

Not disputing any of this, but my perspective was a bit different. I always saw the first 2 seasons of DS9 as a more traditional ST product, and only after B5 launched with its operatic and conflict style, did they follow suit with DS9.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Not disputing any of this, but my perspective was a bit different. I always saw the first 2 seasons of DS9 as a more traditional ST product, and only after B5 launched with its operatic and conflict style, did they follow suit with DS9.

They only launched a few weeks apart in the US, and Sisko was dealing with intrigue and mysticism from day one, so I don't really see that myself. S1/2 of DS9 are slightly more episodic, but tonally less different from later DS9 than I think one might expect (I rewatched a couple of years ago).

Whereas B5 has very different tone (operatic is a good word), and it becomes more extreme in S2, as the LotR-inspired elements and so on become more and more obvious.

 

[The Soloist]

JMS also admitted that one episode of B5 was 'cryptophaged' unconsciously from another science fiction story. IIRC, it's the episode in which someone gets taken over by alien nanotech, in the med bay and it threatens the station's computer systems.

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