do you think Arnold the T800 have retired in future Terminator franchise?

[Ruin Explorer]

Re: Terminator sequels in general, movies aren't the right place for more Terminator. The Sarah Connor Chronicles showed that - the entire concept for Terminator is actually significantly more compelling as a TV show, if you're going to extend things beyond the first two movies. TSSC was actually, genuinely, a great show, unfortunately it was from an era where SF or fantasy shows really had to fight to survive in a way they don't today.

(Dark Fate is underrated btw - it's a poorly-paced movie, but has more story integrity and better ideas than other Terminator sequels. - it still would have been infinitely better as a TV show though.)

 

[Kaodi]

I have only ever seen the two Judge Dredd movies but I know that in the comics there are, um, significant supernatural elements. Significant enough for them to be a huge disappointment because I liked Dredd in part for the plausibility of its dystopia and worldbuilding. But if Terminator is going to keep going in on "fate" then maybe they should be the ones leaning in to a supernatural element to their story that actually explains their particular wonkiness.

 

[payn]

I have only ever seen the two Judge Dredd movies but I know that in the comics there are, um, significant supernatural elements. Significant enough for them to be a huge disappointment because I liked Dredd in part for the plausibility of its dystopia and worldbuilding. But if Terminator is going to keep going in on "fate" then maybe they should be the ones leaning in to a supernatural element to their story that actually explains their particular wonkiness.

Please do not do any of this.

 

[Ralif Redhammer]

I liked Terminator Dark Fate, but Arnold playing a Terminator is getting more and more ridiculous the older he gets. And it's frustrating that his other big franchise, Conan, sits fallow when there are so many stories that were told with an older Conan.

The Terminator series could continue without Arnold, but you're not going to get a presence like him to fill those shoes. I kinda think there's something to going back to James Cameron's original idea when he still wanted Lance Henriksen to star - a film noir take with a lurking, sneaking cybernetic assassin. But no more reboots. I think the franchise needs to move away from Sarah and John Connor as well, for that matter.

 

[Theory of Games]

I should point out that the bolded bit is a berserk and demented conspiracy theory with absolutely no basis in fact.

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Did Sophia Stewart win a large judgment in her copyright infringement suit regarding authorship of the film 'The Matrix'?

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Etc.

It's wild as hell that 20 years later people are still repeating this absolutely batshit conspiracy theory, that's been disproven several times over, as if it were simple fact we all know. I realize Stewart, who promotes the theory and openly lies that she "owns" both franchises, is still around, but come on.

The original Terminator was inspired by Harlan Ellison's work, and Ellison won in court because Cameron foolishly admitted this in an unpublished interview with Starlog (the SF mag).

The Matrix obviously draws from a number of sources but no specific one significantly enough to get lawsuited.

Scripts get stolen, with Jordan Benel's story being one of the more recent events. Artists have a heck of a time proving their work was misused in court due to the "legalese" of Copyright law. Just because someone may or may not be suffering from a mental disorder doesn't make them wrong.
But the courts ruled

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Scripts get stolen, with Jordan Benel's story being one of the more recent events. Artists have a heck of a time proving their work was misused in court due to the "legalese" of Copyright law. Just because someone may or may not be suffering from a mental disorder doesn't make them wrong.
But the courts ruled

Stop pushing a baseless conspiracy theory, and examine your own motives for doing so, frankly.

Stewart has never shown a script, not even in her own book. In her own book, she presents a very short script treatment, that is completely bizarre, and bears no resemblance to Terminator, and very little resemblance to The Matrix.

Scripts that get stolen are generally pretty obvious, rather than just using a bunch of ideas which were already around for a long time.

Also your claims re: copyright law are just ignorant. This isn't magic. There's no mysterious "legalese" - you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, hence using some empty phrases rather than presenting an actual argument based on the case. And let's be clear - she didn't even turn up at court - that's how strong she thought her case was - she didn't even bother to actually turn up at court. And she wasn't dismissed With Prejudice - she could have gone again, but she didn't.

Further, she's publicly lied that A) she won a $2.4 (or 2.5, it changes) billion case, B) That she owns both IPs, legally, and C) that she won in court. Why defend someone who demonstrably lies?

It would be one thing if she continually asserted that this stuff was stolen, and had turned up to court, and lost in court, but still asserted this, and had actual evidence, like, y'know, at least an actual script (which she has claimed to have at times, but never shown), Then maybe we could say "Hmmmm maybe" about it. But that's not the case. She's just a serial liar, as shown by her lying. You're saying she lost in court and thus the courts are unfair. She's just lying that she won in court lol!

Re: Jordan Benel, he accepted he wasn't ripped off, and hasn't continued to assert that he was, so it's bizarre like you're acting otherwise. He went to court, and reached a settlement that he wouldn't sue anymore, but also the companies involved wouldn't try and get any costs from him. This was because there was only one real point of similarity to his script, which boiled down to "What if murder was legal for one day a year?" - and I very much doubt his script was the first place that idea came up.

 

[Theory of Games]

Stop pushing a baseless conspiracy theory, and examine your own motives for doing so, frankly.

Stewart has never shown a script, not even in her own book. In her own book, she presents a very short script treatment, that is completely bizarre, and bears no resemblance to Terminator, and very little resemblance to The Matrix.

Scripts that get stolen are generally pretty obvious, rather than just using a bunch of ideas which were already around for a long time.

Also your claims re: copyright law are just ignorant. This isn't magic. There's no mysterious "legalese" - you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, hence using some empty phrases rather than presenting an actual argument based on the case. And let's be clear - she didn't even turn up at court - that's how strong she thought her case was - she didn't even bother to actually turn up at court. And she wasn't dismissed With Prejudice - she could have gone again, but she didn't.

Further, she's publicly lied that A) she won a $2.4 (or 2.5, it changes) billion case, B) That she owns both IPs, legally, and C) that she won in court. Why defend someone who demonstrably lies?

It would be one thing if she continually asserted that this stuff was stolen, and had turned up to court, and lost in court, but still asserted this, and had actual evidence, like, y'know, at least an actual script (which she has claimed to have at times, but never shown), Then maybe we could say "Hmmmm maybe" about it. But that's not the case. She's just a serial liar, as shown by her lying. You're saying she lost in court and thus the courts are unfair. She's just lying that she won in court lol!

Re: Jordan Benel, he accepted he wasn't ripped off, and hasn't continued to assert that he was, so it's bizarre like you're acting otherwise. He went to court, and reached a settlement that he wouldn't sue anymore, but also the companies involved wouldn't try and get any costs from him. This was because there was only one real point of similarity to his script, which boiled down to "What if murder was legal for one day a year?" - and I very much doubt his script was the first place that idea came up.

So. Do you mean scripts are never stolen OR that judges and juries always get it right with their decisions?

"Incompetence is a better explanation than conspiracy in most human activity" - Pete Bergen

 

[Paul Farquhar]

So. Do you mean scripts are never stolen OR that judges and juries always get it right with their decisions?

"Incompetence is a better explanation than conspiracy in most human activity" - Pete Bergen

Are you claiming that people never attempt to incompetently defraud creatives by claiming they created something they clearly did not?

You don’t happen to be Stewart’s sock puppet by any chance?

 

[Theory of Games]

Are you claiming that people never attempt to incompetently defraud creatives by claiming they created something they clearly did not?

You don’t happen to be Stewart’s sock puppet by any chance?

Nah. People lie.

Defendants. Claimants. Judges. Jurors.

All people. I'm just taking Stewart's side.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

So. Do you mean scripts are never stolen OR that judges and juries always get it right with their decisions?

"Incompetence is a better explanation than conspiracy in most human activity" - Pete Bergen

LOL that's pretty sad as an attempt to deflect from the fact that:

A) Stewart is demonstrably a liar, who can't even agree that she lost in court, even though you admitted she did.

B) Benel agreed that he wasn't actually stolen from.

As for your questions:

C) I'm sure scripts have been stolen - there's some evidence, for example, that the concept for B5 was suggested by an executive who had seen the B5 script, to the people who made DS9 (who had no idea they were being handed a "borrowed" idea). Or better yet Gravity, which pretty much 100% was stolen and what protected the studios was pushing this idea that they didn't have a contract with Tess Gerritsen and as Tess herself points out, they did technically own the copyright to her work (but they should still have paid her for it). Unlike with Stewart, Gerritsen's claims are fully supported by court documents, and was demonstrably excluded from profit on what was essentially a technicality.

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But had they not owned the copyright via the option, the studio here would have been absolutely screwed. As it is, we can see that Cuaron is an absolute sleazebag. There's no getting away from that, sadly.

D) Juries and judges are 100% irrelevant to all the examples you've presented. Stewart's case was dismissed because she didn't even turn up, not because a judge or jury made some wacky decision. Benel case had some rulings about evidence, but as I understanding it, in the end it was settled - and thus no judge or jury was involved in that settlement beyond the judge saying "Sure, okay, fine". So I'm not sure what the point you think you're making here is.