No, they simply cannot be used if they are not trained. If i ask for a skill check and you are not trained in it, say so and MAKE THE ROLE ANYWAY. Don't worry about about assigning penalties (The -4 bit comes from non proficiency of weapon) Its not a large deal, I'm just trying to get a feel for you character and hoping that you guys can do the same. So far the xp has come from Base entertaining my wife.
That said, No Unearthed Arcana Varients, Which means no bear totem. If you want roll with the blow, your gonna have to take toughness, and then pick it up with your 3rd level feat.
Wait My Bad , I forgot that the feat is from savage species.
Let me restate, the allowed books are the srd and the campeign setting. No savage species, No races of eberron , etc. thanks again. I'm willing to listen but so far people have been like what about this book? what about this feat? If you have a metal concept like I'm a dread necromancer using the forces of evil against evil in a bid to save not my soul, but the soul of my sister that i traded for my kick ass powerz, I will probably say yes. That's an awesome idea if I say so myself. Some barbarian dude getting 2/- 5 or so levels before most barbarians get their regular 1/- is not.
Now if that dude had some metal attached you might get some slack from me, so please new characters should wow. If you don't want to play metal, don't play here. I'm only looking for the aWEsomist anyway. (and no that is not roleplayer elitism, but rather it is the central concept to the story and play, when i start pulling out the badguy bard who is a horrible beast playing sanity rending songs on his diabolical piano, or the eternally suffering fallen angel who still doesn't get why he fell, it will make sense. Like i said I'm easing into stuff.
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