Release Day Second Edition Amazon Sales Rank

Parmandur

Legend
Interesting.

On Amazon, the Core Book is down to 5707 in books, and has fallen out of the top 50 in Fantasy Gaming, #54 right behind the Spellbook Cards: Druid set. The Bestiary & Lost Omens Guide have fallen out of the top 100, though the Lost Omens Character Guide is still hanging in there at #83, right behind the Spellbook Cards: Bard set.
 

S'mon

Legend
Have played 3 sessions now. It seems like a solid game with potential for long term sales. I think Paizo should probably avoid smothering it with a 3e/pf1e type release schedule and let it develop more as an evergreen. They will need to do that on a smaller scale and staff than paizo 2008-2014 though.
 

gss000

Villager
People might be interested in this site I found recently: Amazon.com Sales Ranks (US). You can track the Amazon numbers over time. Looks like both the core book and Bestiary had a big drop, but then recovered, although there still may be slow declines at worst, holding steady for now. The newer books that are more niche do well for a month or so and then look like they decline fast, which historically is how sales went before online and gaming book pdfs were a thing.
 

Green Onceler

Explorer
Interesting that 60% give pathfinders core book 5 stars compared to 78% for 5e phb
Hmm, take from that what you will. Personally, I'd say neither of those books are 5 star products.

Re: Pathfinder, I have noticed a lot of people posting overly negative, one star reviews online for a range Paizo products in general, based on their reaction to Paizo's inclusivity (or "SJW" tendencies - depending on your personal viewpoint, I guess.)

These reviews are really, really unhelpful. If I want to know if a module is going to be fun to run, some reviewer who is furious that one of the the central NPCs is a woman adventurer, gay or whatever and gives it one star solely on that basis really tells me nothing about the quality of the story/adventure. Just muddying the waters.
 

mach1.9pants

Adventurer
Hmm, take from that what you will. Personally, I'd say neither of those books are 5 star products.

Re: Pathfinder, I have noticed a lot of people posting overly negative, one star reviews online for a range Paizo products in general, based on their reaction to Paizo's inclusivity (or "SJW" tendencies - depending on your personal viewpoint, I guess.)

These reviews are really, really unhelpful. If I want to know if a module is going to be fun to run, some reviewer who is furious that one of the the central NPCs is a woman adventurer, gay or whatever and gives it one star solely on that basis really tells me nothing about the quality of the story/adventure. Just muddying the waters.
That's a problem with the world/internet ATM, not just Paizo/RPGs/etc!
 

TheSword

Explorer
Yes I was surprised by the outrage and criticism of relatively minor additions.

However I’m more interested in the lack of advocates (people who would rate 5 stars or the equivalent of 9 or 10 out of 10). There are substantially more advocates as a percentage in D&D reviews than in Pathfinder. I’m surprised as while I thought pathfinder would have a smaller fan base it would be more loyal.

Edition wars seem to have hit them hard.
 

teitan

Adventurer
It’s really kind of gross reading some of the reviews. Sometimes I think it’s a bit heavy handed at times but for a game where you can determine what the feel is all on your own and reskin things to your heart’s content these reviewers are real jerks. Heaven forbid a character be gay.
 
Yes I was surprised by the outrage and criticism of relatively minor additions.

However I’m more interested in the lack of advocates (people who would rate 5 stars or the equivalent of 9 or 10 out of 10). There are substantially more advocates as a percentage in D&D reviews than in Pathfinder. I’m surprised as while I thought pathfinder would have a smaller fan base it would be more loyal.

Edition wars seem to have hit them hard.
Probably need to wait a bit to see how it shakes out. Newer products often have more negative reviews than positive. In 6 months to a year I would be interested in where it is. 5e has had 5 years to balance out those reviews. And there were a ton of early 1 star reviews for their inclusiveness as well.
 

zztong

Explorer
Interesting that 60% give pathfinders core book 5 stars compared to 78% for 5e phb
For PF2, there's a number of folks who rated it as 1-Star because the shipping method bent the cover.

I've not read through the 5e reviews to see if there's some similar kind of thing among its data, but it wouldn't surprise me.
 

Mistwell

Legend
People might be interested in this site I found recently: Amazon.com Sales Ranks (US). You can track the Amazon numbers over time. Looks like both the core book and Bestiary had a big drop, but then recovered, although there still may be slow declines at worst, holding steady for now. The newer books that are more niche do well for a month or so and then look like they decline fast, which historically is how sales went before online and gaming book pdfs were a thing.
Unfortunately, that's just looking at last weeks data vs this weeks data...which is kinda useless. The "big drop and recover" is rankings from about 4000 to 5000. Which is the norm. It's essentially flat. For reference it started in the top 100. THAT was the big drop...down to 1200s, then 2000s, 3000s, and now 4000s to 5000s.
 

Hussar

Legend
I do see a couple of complaints about the "wavy pages" thing. Do people not know that you have to let books relax after they've been shipped? The whole "wavy pages" thing is simply because of humidity and will go away after a few days.
 

BryonD

Adventurer
Black Friday is looking good 2673. Which is impressive on Black Friday.
But still in the 50s for gaming. The jump in overall without a jump in the gaming group is interesting. I guess a lot of people are buying gaming books as presents.
 

dave2008

Legend
I do see a couple of complaints about the "wavy pages" thing. Do people not know that you have to let books relax after they've been shipped? The whole "wavy pages" thing is simply because of humidity and will go away after a few days.
I didn't know that, of course I have never had a book with wavy pages either
 

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