Ya, @The-Magic-Sword I would be curious too. I didn't come up with anything after a little google-fu. I don't really care that much, just curious. I wish all of these companies were more transparent about their sales, but I understand why they are not.Not that easy. Cite please.
Well, since you tried yourself, paizo.com - Forums: Customer Service: PDF Subscription should be the correct thread where its discussed, though there have been others since.
That thread is over ten years old. Not a strong indicator as to the present impact of PDF sales.Well, since you tried yourself, paizo.com - Forums: Customer Service: PDF Subscription should be the correct thread where its discussed, though there have been others since.
Given that they still don't have one I don't think so, specifically I would stand by it because ive read more recent discussions of it that might be a bit more time consuming to track down (by their current Marketing Manager) , and because for it to no longer be true, pdfs would have had to become a SMALLER portion of overall sales, regardless of what those overall sales were.That thread is over ten years old. Not a strong indicator as to the present impact of PDF sales.
Although it is interesting that Paizo flat out says that offering an "only PDF" subscription would likely put them out of business. I wonder if that has changed since then.
Hey thanks for the jab and then practically citing anyway.Well, since you tried yourself, paizo.com - Forums: Customer Service: PDF Subscription should be the correct thread where its discussed, though there have been others since.
From that thread.I totally understand your predicament, but we do not have a PDF-only subscription, and we have no plans currently to ever make one.
It pretty easy to predict what would happen if we offered a PDF-only subscription: A number of people would cancel their print sub and go PDF-only. The problem is if this number of people reaches a certain threshold, we make less money on the printed copies we do sell. At a certain point, it could happen that we stop making money on these altogether. It is selling these books in print form that keeps the doors open.
I just have a hard time maintaining boundaries under pressure, so I maintained it when you asked, and then folded shortly after when others asked-- also I was gonna go more in-depth and find the other threads and stuff for you. I just figured that would be a good starting point for Davies that took me maybe a minute and a half to find.Hey thanks for the jab and then practically citing anyway.
What I do to you?
I wouldn’t say that Pf2 is shrinking based on the Amazon numbers and Roll20, but there’s no way I’d say it’s growing right now. It has an engaged fan base (me included). That’s a start.
If they want more players then Paizo needs a hook to reach the category of 5e players open to something new.
I may be misunderstanding your point here, but I think they are a factor that can help explain what we see. When I look at survey data, I look at the comments to help give other answers context. Here, the number of comments and frequency tell me how energetic the crowd is. If I wanted to read what people say, that tells me narratives people hold about the game, which is a different question than what we've all been discussing.While I don't think message boards are of statistical signfigance, I don't think thats data we have in the first place. I'd argue its likely the best data we have.
Yes, all that is true, which is why I don't use Amazon numbers to say anything about the overall health of Paizo. We can't say anything regarding PDF sales or volume unless Paizo releases numbers. I haven't seen any disclosures like Hasbro makes about D&D sales in 2020. I don't think the company has to like Hasbro does, but until I hear or see a stat about growth there, I can't tell anything about it. Without an official statement of some kind, I will only assume subscriptions are staying the same. Someone please educate me if there has been news on this that is recent.The Amazon sales rank depends specifically on sales through Amazon when Amazon most definetly doesnt carry the pdfs, which probably have massive volume, and doesnt reflect subscriber number, or the inventory-clearing sales surge from the humble bundle either.
Yup, which is why I don't see the declining numbers in and of themselves as a bad thing. It's more a reflection on Roll20 and it's lack of support. Based on other comments, the lack of support is probably not a big thing, either.Meanwhile roll 20 while strong for other game systems is recommended against heavily in the Pathfinder community, which from an information sciences perspective means Google searches looking (functionally) for consumer review material are turning up the Foundry recommendation.
That is a good point, but that would affect all game systems, too. That is why I look at the established forums I used to go to that are still around for a cursory examination, and I don't see a lot of PF2 chatter.Similarly, online discussion has changed dramatically over the last few years as Discord has come to be a center for that kind of engagement, rather than traditional forums.
I don't want to talk too much about items involving the economic health of Paizo because that involves other areas that aren't relevant to PF2's reception and uptake, even if it's the flagship product. Hiring is good news overall, true. Knowing a little about publications, I put less weight into the release pace. That's dictated months and months in advance. It's good they haven't changed it, but I don't see that as changing too much unless things went really poorly, which there's absolutely no sign of.Its also one of a few things giving us information that things are going well, as Paizo is still hiring, and the release schedule shows no signs of slowing down beyond them having gotten the core of the game out in a crunch and transitioning to the pace theyve been talking about since day one.