Renaming Real-World Nations...

LoneWolf23

First Post
Ok, building my campaign setting, but I have a problem. See, I'm designing my world's nations by basing them on real-world nations like the British Isles, France, Italy, Germany, etc. But I draw a blank when it comes to giving them original, but not silly names...

Can anyone help me? I've already got my British Isles equivalent named: Arbion for England, Eriu for Ireland, Caledonia for Scotland, and I'm thinking of making an elven-dominated region to fill in for Wales.. Still, I draw a blank for the rest of "Europe".

And thus, I turn to you fine, imaginative folk... How would you (intelligently) rename:

-Spain

-France

-Italy

-Germany

-Scandinavia

-Balkan regions

-Greece

-Russia

That's about it for now.. I leave things in your hands...
 

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FireLance

Legend
If you want the names to suggest the countries, here's what you can do:

1. Get an atlas of the world.
2. Go to the individual country listings and pick the name of a town or region that isn't very well known (or at least, that you've never heard of before).
3. Use that name for the country.
 

fba827

Adventurer
How about take the primary (real world) language from each of those regions and then find out what their word for "land" "nation" "country" "king" is and start with that .... ?

(just a random thought, it may or may not work depending on what the linguist translations end up being)
 


DiamondB

Explorer
As I have a homebrew campaign world that is very much like this (the links in the .sig) here is what I came up with for names. If you want to know the rest of Europe, go to the page and take a look at the players guide, it's for 3.0 right now, but I'm in the process of rewriting a guide for 3.5. Anyhow, on with the names.

Spain: Of course, it's broken up into 5 kingdoms, but the whole area is known as Iberia.

France: Galia, again it's made up of a number of kingdoms.

Italy: Italia

Germany: The Empire, of course it covers a great deal more than just Germany, but it's basically the remnants of the Holy Roman Empire.

Scandinavia: Norge, Sverge, Finmark, Isaland, Danemark

Balkan regions: Magyaria (Hungary), Transylvania, Moldavia, Wallachia, Bulgaria, Eastern Empire (Byzantine Empire)

Greece: Achea

Russia: Principalities of Rus

Some aren't terribly original, but the campaign world is actually pretty tightly tied to Earth, so I didn't want to venture too far from reality.
 
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DMScott

First Post
LoneWolf23 said:
Ok, building my campaign setting, but I have a problem. See, I'm designing my world's nations by basing them on real-world nations like the British Isles, France, Italy, Germany, etc. But I draw a blank when it comes to giving them original, but not silly names...

Can anyone help me? I've already got my British Isles equivalent named: Arbion for England, Eriu for Ireland, Caledonia for Scotland, and I'm thinking of making an elven-dominated region to fill in for Wales.. Still, I draw a blank for the rest of "Europe".

Dangerous Journeys, a short-lived RPG by Gary Gygax, was set on a fairly close analog to earth. It had alternate names for all sorts of real-world nations and/or regions; if you poke around on the web you might find a list.

Otherwise, some stabs of my own:

-Spain

Perhaps "Iberia".

-France

Going the pseudo-Roman route as you've done for the British isles, some variant of "Gaul" might work.

-Italy

Would depend on the era, I think. You could name it after the dominant city (a la Rome) if you have one, or if you're in one of the medieval periods when Italy was comprised of warring city-states something like "Machia" (to suggest "Maciavelli") might work.

-Germany

Again, the era is important. For a lot of the ancient era, it'd be split into tribal territories. Otherwise, something like "Hapsburg" or "the Hanseatic League" might do, depending on government type.

-Scandinavia

If you want to refer to this as a whole, something like "Scandia" would work. Maybe steal the Greyhawk equivalents for the actual nations/tribes - the Fruztii, and... darn, drawing a blank on the other two barbarian nations.

-Balkan regions

Heh. On your own here, but just picking some city names could work well.

-Greece

I always call my ancient Greece-type civilization "Thrace". I've had it in about three or four different settings, I think.

-Russia

Rus, perhaps?
 


Agback

Explorer
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Express

First Post
Might I suggest pilfering from fictional names of countries from literature and movies?

For instance Ruritania, Osterland, Sylvania, Freiland, Razkavia, Grand Fenwick, San Seriffe, Borduria, and of course Fredonia :)
 

Agback

Explorer
DiamondB said:
Balkan regions: Either part of the Polish/Lithuanian Empire, the Volk Knights or Principalities of Rus

I think that perhaps you are confusing the Baltic States with the Balkans.

Regards,


Agback
 

Agback

Explorer
Express said:
Might I suggest pilfering from fictional names of countries from literature and movies?

For instance Ruritania, Osterland, Sylvania, Freiland, Razkavia, Grand Fenwick, San Seriffe, Borduria, and of course Fredonia :)

Now that is the sort of thing I would do!

Regards,


Brett
 

DiamondB

Explorer
Agback said:
I think that perhaps you are confusing the Baltic States with the Balkans.

Regards,


Agback


Oops, you're right. It was a long day yesterday.
Anyhow, here's what we use for the Balkans;
Magyaria (Hungary)
Transylvania
Moldavia
Wallachia
Bulgaria
Eastern Empire (Byzantine Empire)

Basically broke the region up and used some traditional regional names (some are fairly recogniazable, i.e. Transylvania).
 

MaxKaladin

First Post

-France - Bretonia

-Italy - Tilea

-Germany - Middenheim, Altdorf, Hochland, etc.

-Scandinavia - Norsca

-Russia - Kislev

Or has that been done before? ;)
 

Woas

First Post
spell them backwards!

sdrawkcab meth lleps

-Nians

-Ecnarf

-Ylati

-Ynamreg

-Aivanidnacs

-Snoiger Naklab

-Eceerg

-Aissur
 

Tiberius

Explorer
Well, if your Greece is more Spartan than most, you could go with Lacedaemon (la KEY da mon, AFAIK), its people being the Lacedaemonioi. It's one of the older names for Sparta.
 

Privateer

First Post
Well, if your players aren't into 7th Sea (and wouldn't know where you stole the names from, therefore), it has parallels to real world countries that I like. You might want to double check what I give you here, though.

(Spelling, memory may be off)

England: Avalon
France: Montaigne
Spain: Castille
Italy: Vodacce
Germany: Eisen
Russia: Ussura
Netherlands: Vendel
Norway/Vikings: Vestenmannavenajar (I think)
China/Japan-ish: Cathay
Middle East: I forget... Crescent something.
 
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Perun

Mushroom
Well, I started typing, and it turned out to be a bit of a large, and probably boring, histry of the Balkans... so, instead, I suggest this for inspiration. It's a bit of an what-if scenario :)

And it features an independent Dalmatian state. What more could I ask for ;)

http://www.chlewey.org/ib/eu/index.html

Regards.
 

The Mad Kaiser

First Post
Original .............. Common / Native

Spain ................. Brent / Briento

France ............... Annage / Annegés

Italy .................. Padua / Padova

Scandinavia ........ Strutgert / Strughtagerta

Germany ............. Rorich / Roiek

Greece ............... Rimose / Remos

Russia ................ Kubev / Kubev
 

Gez

First Post
LoneWolf23 said:
Can anyone help me? I've already got my British Isles equivalent named: Arbion for England, Eriu for Ireland, Caledonia for Scotland...

Isn't it Albion, rather than Arbion?

-Spain
Spain and Portugal are on the Iberic peninsula, so you can use Iberia.
Spain is made of several smaller former kingdoms, Castilla, Leon, Navarre, Catalogna, Galicia, IIRC.

-France
Litterally "Land of the Free" (the Franks).
You can use the latin Gallia or Gallica (the Roman pun we kept to this day, giving us a rooster for mascott; the gauls usually preferred the boar, the skylark and the seagull, depending on where the tribe was located).
If you name after a city/region, Britanny and its derivative is too close-sounding to Britain IMO. Some other region names here, just move the mouse over the places. Most of them have compound names, because several regions have been merged together. ("Pays de la Loire" is an extreme example, meaning "lands of the Loire basin".)

-Italy
Region names.

-Germany
Regions of Germany.
Additionally, the Germans have a lots of name. They call themselves Deutsch (pronounced about Doytch, do not confuse with Dutch!), they're Allemands in French and Germans in English. In fact, all these names come from different teutonic tribes. One called itself the Allamans (all the men), and that's what gave Allemagne. German was a name given by the Romans to those they deemed the closest to their kin. Prussian, Teuton, Goth, all have been used to describe part or all of Germans.

-Greece
The Greek call themselves Hellens. The name of Greece and Greek is caused by a mistake of the Romans, and was actually the name of the first Hellen colony they encountered. It's a bit like if there were ETs living on the moon, and they would call us the "Armstrong race" rather than the "Human race".

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