D&D (2024) Rests should be dropped. Stop conflating survival mechanics with resource recovery.

[Emberashh]

May be neither of you get my point.

What Im saying is that you can in fact get a restful sleep anywhere and that the world will in fact respond to you doing so. This is why the problems with rest as game resource recovery is bad because in order to have a balanced game, you have to violate one of these realities.

I thought I spelled that out but apparently not. Neither of you are even remotely talking about what Im talking about.

 

[Remathilis]

Honestly, why bother with resources?

Jedi don't sleep to recover the Force. Harry Potter doesn't chug mana potions. Captain America can do this all day! Maybe the problem is that we still assume HP is anything but plot armor and that magic and skills have any sort of limit beyond training and talent.

Maybe the secret is to utterly divorce mechanics from fiction and stop tracking arrows and potions.

 

[tetrasodium]

May be neither of you get my point.

What Im saying is that you can in fact get a restful sleep anywhere and that the world will in fact respond to you doing so. This is why the problems with rest as game resource recovery is bad because in order to have a balanced game, you have to violate one of these realities.

I thought I spelled that out but apparently not. Neither of you are even remotely talking about what Im talking about.

I probably got what you were expressing & agree with it but I extended the ".50 cal" adjacent nap analogy in a way that poorly demonstrates the world stopping you . That was why I picked two real world locations that will without question be places where the world itself will stop you from nuclear fallout & biological warfare testing leftovers

 

[Emberashh]

Honestly, why bother with resources?

Because its a game and attrition fosters fun.

Theres a reason cheat mode makes games less fun than they used to be. Limits are a good thing.

I probably got what you were expressing & agree with it but I extended the ".50 cal" adjacent nap analogy in a way that poorly demonstrates the world stopping you

I think you're approaching it from "can I sleep through this noise" while Im approaching it from "can the party complete this long rest without a combat or some other encounter disrupting it".

 

[the Jester]

May be neither of you get my point.

What Im saying is that you can in fact get a restful sleep anywhere and that the world will in fact respond to you doing so. This is why the problems with rest as game resource recovery is bad because in order to have a balanced game, you have to violate one of these realities.

I thought I spelled that out but apparently not. Neither of you are even remotely talking about what Im talking about.

I disagree with the premise. It is not true that you can get a restful sleep anywhere, at least in my game.

 

[tetrasodium]

Because its a game and attrition fosters fun.

Theres a reason cheat mode makes games less fun than they used to be. Limits are a good thing.



I think you're approaching it from "can I sleep through this noise" while Im approaching it from "can the party complete this long rest without a combat or some other encounter disrupting it".

I was thinking of the radiation & anthrax as encounters.

The current rules make it too easy to shrug & start another reat when interrupted sleeping someplace unreasonable to expect sleep.

 

[SakanaSensei]

My table is currently playing an unholy abomination I've thrown together that is a chimera of 4E, 5E, and ICRPG, and for this monstrosity I've made a call that's made planning for combats a lot easier for everyone involved:

Your resources, everything, from abilities to HP? Get those bad boys back whenever you roll initiative.

My players and I all know exactly what everyone's working with when things get going, and it's fantastic. Is it the most believable thing in the world? Hell no, but it cuts out a lot of cruft and lets us get to the fun stuff.

 

[mellored]

Time....
the bulk of of the restore takes time, ... time...

So I drink a potions, and take a rest while it goes into effect...

Or you're just being deliberately contemptuous and should just stop engaging if you're all you're going to do is troll.

No. I am simply pointing out how drinking an arbitrary amount doesn't make any narrative sense.

At very least make it a magic stone, or fairy dust or something. Not something you shove in your mouth.

 

[Emberashh]

So I drink a potions, and take a rest while it goes into effect...

Thereby wasting time. Congrats, the princess is dead now cause you're desperate to make a point with not a leg to stand on.

You're trying too hard and too obviously.

No. I am simply pointing out how drinking an arbitrary amount doesn't make any narrative sense.

So you think a high fantasy setting shouldn't have magic potions that restore a person to fighting shape because that "doesn't make sense" or whatever.

Yeah I don't buy it. You're trolling and its obvious. Stop replying to me, Im not engaging this naughty word past this point.

 

[mamba]

Yes. Tabletop can stand to take a cue from its computerized cousins.

no, it’s a bad idea, I understand why games do it., I have no interest in seeing this in a TTRPG