Revised Challenge Ratings/Encounter Levels (pdf)

[S'mon]

Hi Knight Otu mate!

This is actually Upper_Krust posting from London.

After using the system a bit, I think there might be instances where you overrate the impact of some abilities.

Well I have made some changes to even V.3

Critical Hit immunity - while this is a broad category that prevents damage from several sources, I think it should not add more than 0.5 to CR, but due to it's broad application, it should add an additional 0.5 to ECL (basically splitting the +1 to CR in half). It is a powerful ability, but it is usually more advantageous for PCs than for monsters.

Mmmm...I'll have a think.

There seems to be an instance in the Incorporeal subtype that is overrated, but I could not identify it yet.

I don't have a copy in front of me...I will later, but remember that Str - is now -2. So there are probably factors in the template not updated?

Large and larger sizes might be slightly overrated. Maybe it could be advantageous to split it into the main benefits, Reach and Speed?

Sounds a bit pedantic, remember of course that the size bonuses also take ability scores into account.

I think you miscalculated the Ooze type.

Same response as to the incorporeal template above.

I'll return to this point when I have a copy of V.4 in front of me.

 

[kreynolds]

You still calculate all Spell-like Abilities as described in the pdf...

...then you add +0.2 x highest spell level (total).

That would make a 6th level fireball spell-like ability, usable 3 times per day, more costly to ECL than wizard or sorcerer spellcasting levels. Is that how its supposed to work?

 

[Kerrick]

I might have missed it, but I didn't see special immunities, like Immunity to Piercing and Edged weapons, in there anywhere. Or half damage from same, for that matter.

 

[S'mon]

Hi kreynolds mate (Upper_Krust here)

That would make a 6th level fireball spell-like ability, usable 3 times per day, more costly to ECL than wizard or sorcerer spellcasting levels. Is that how its supposed to work?

It would be more costly than a single integrated level, yes.

6th-level caster x 3rd level spell = 18 x 0.0015 = 0.027

0.027 + 0.6 (3rd-level spell) = +0.627

Compared with +0.7 for two integrated wizard or sorceror levels.

 

[S'mon]

Hi kerrick mate! (again Upper_Krust here).

I might have missed it, but I didn't see special immunities, like Immunity to Piercing and Edged weapons, in there anywhere.

Well depending on whether the ability is EX/SU.

+0.5/+1 One weapon type immunity
+2/+4 Two
+5/+10 Three

Though that is a difficult one to rate.

Or half damage from same, for that matter.

See 11.26 Weapon Resistance.

 

[Knight Otu]

Hi, Upper_Krust!

I don't have a copy in front of me...I will later, but remember that Str - is now -2.

That might help a bit...

Sounds a bit pedantic, remember of course that the size bonuses also take ability scores into account.

OK.

Same response as to the incorporeal template above.

Maybe. It's off by 1, according to the listed factors.

Well depending on whether the ability is EX/SU.

+0.5/+1 One weapon type immunity
+2/+4 Two
+5/+10 Three

I guess I miss something obvious, but why should the Supernatural version add more to the CR than the Extraordinary? Shouldn't it be the other way?

 

[kreynolds]

It would be more costly than a single integrated level, yes.

6th-level caster x 3rd level spell = 18 x 0.0015 = 0.027

0.027 + 0.6 (3rd-level spell) = +0.627

Compared with +0.7 for two integrated wizard or sorceror levels.

This is incorrect then, yes? Is a single spell-like ability supposed to be worth more than a single but full integrated spellcasting level?

 

[Matrix Sorcica]

Edit: Got my question answered in another thread, so here's another one.

I have difficulty understanding the example with the troll being a PC. It becomes a ECL 9 creature with the +2 from regeneration, but I don't understand the wealth. If that is +2 from 9 levels of PC wealth, wouldn't it be cumulative over and over again, as the ECL for wealth for 11 lvls is even more etc.
I hope I'm making myself clear. What am I misunderstanding+

Thanks

 

[S'mon]

Hi, Upper_Krust!

Hi Knight Otu mate! (Its really me)

I guess I miss something obvious, but why should the Supernatural version add more to the CR than the Extraordinary? Shouldn't it be the other way?

...because the supernatural version is negated within anti-magic, whereas the extraordinary isn't.

 

[S'mon]

Hi kreynolds mate (U_K here)

This is incorrect then, yes? Is a single spell-like ability supposed to be worth more than a single but full integrated spellcasting level?

It can be worth more to ECL, yes.