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D&D 5E Revisited Setting News: Its not the 2023 Classic setting, but rather for 2024

Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
That has me worried. Unless the book is the size of Eberron or bigger it won’t have room for all the lore and crunch you’d need to do Spelljammer justice and have a fleshed out adventure. It would take two or three books to do that.

I own both Ghosts of Saltmarsh and Descent to Avernus, both of which have mechanical rules for ships/vehicles but are primarily adventures. I think a Spelljammer book would be more tilted in page count for mechanics, but can still have a larger adventure than most setting books.

I still want to see Strixhaven's table of contents to see how it balances adventure vs. everything else.
 

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overgeeked

B/X Known World
I own both Ghosts of Saltmarsh and Descent to Avernus, both of which have mechanical rules for ships/vehicles but are primarily adventures. I think a Spelljammer book would be more tilted in page count for mechanics, but can still have a larger adventure than most setting books.

I still want to see Strixhaven's table of contents to see how it balances adventure vs. everything else.
Sure. But how much more mechanics and lore will Spelljammer need to pack in? A lot more. The only other option is to do it half-assed in print and offer DLC like they did with Witchlight. Or split it into two books. Like Ravenloft. I'd prefer if they went the Ravenloft route rather than the DLC. But my gut is telling me they're going DLC. The question then is: which section is removed for space and booted to the DLC? Probably whatever's least useful for the most tables.
 

Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
Sure. But how much more mechanics and lore will Spelljammer need to pack in? A lot more. The only other option is to do it half-assed in print and offer DLC like they did with Witchlight. Or split it into two books. Like Ravenloft. I'd prefer if they went the Ravenloft route rather than the DLC. But my gut is telling me they're going DLC. The question then is: which section is removed for space and booted to the DLC? Probably whatever's least useful for the most tables.

Yeah, I could see them doing the Domains of Delight kind of thing for stuff they had to cut. Which I don't love either to be honest, DoD should have been in the Witchlight.
 

overgeeked

B/X Known World
Yeah, I could see them doing the Domains of Delight kind of thing for stuff they had to cut. Which I don't love either to be honest, DoD should have been in the Witchlight.
Exactly. So in a Spelljammer adventure path, what's expendable like the lore of the feywild is for Witchlight? At a guess, the lore of the setting. So we'd get what...an adventure a la Witchlight, with races and maybe rules for ships. But unless ship-to-ship combat is central to the plot of the adventure, it could also be shunted off to DLC. There's no way to cut content that doesn't end with the print product being half-assed.
 

Sure. But how much more mechanics and lore will Spelljammer need to pack in? A lot more. The only other option is to do it half-assed in print and offer DLC like they did with Witchlight. Or split it into two books. Like Ravenloft. I'd prefer if they went the Ravenloft route rather than the DLC. But my gut is telling me they're going DLC. The question then is: which section is removed for space and booted to the DLC? Probably whatever's least useful for the most tables.
I think you're over-estimating the page count necessary to fit in the Spelljammer rule set. There's no need for a lengthy gazatteer, which is often the real space-grabber in most setting books. Especially if a hypothetical adventure covers (presumably) Realmspace and the Rock of Bral within it. Races, ships, bestiary, some charts to roll random crystal spheres, a list of known crystal spheres with maybe one or two given some detail, and, what, maybe 10 pages on the basic rules of the setting and combat therein. It could all be covered in maybe 100 pages or so...
 

overgeeked

B/X Known World
I think you're over-estimating the page count necessary to fit in the Spelljammer rule set. There's no need for a lengthy gazatteer, which is often the real space-grabber in most setting books. Especially if a hypothetical adventure covers (presumably) Realmspace and the Rock of Bral within it. Races, ships, bestiary, some charts to roll random crystal spheres, a list of known crystal spheres with maybe one or two given some detail, and, what, maybe 10 pages on the basic rules of the setting and combat therein. It could all be covered in maybe 100 pages or so...
Yeah, that's exactly what I mean by half-assed. Eberron was too short. It should have been two books, at least. And a third book with an adventure path. Ravenloft is still less than half done with a full setting book and an adventure path in one domain. The Spelljammer monsters alone would fill a MM-sized book. But that's mostly due to WotC's choice to use ugly space-eating statblocks. All the ships and rules for ships. That likely needs about 100 pages. Without that "lengthy gazetteer" it's almost not worth doing.
 

Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
Exactly. So in a Spelljammer adventure path, what's expendable like the lore of the feywild is for Witchlight? At a guess, the lore of the setting. So we'd get what...an adventure a la Witchlight, with races and maybe rules for ships. But unless ship-to-ship combat is central to the plot of the adventure, it could also be shunted off to DLC. There's no way to cut content that doesn't end with the print product being half-assed.

Well, I'm not sure we need an adventure as long as the one in Witchlight... but I do agree with many of these concerns. More content would be better.

EDIT: But not too much content either, I still want the product to be easily approachable for the casual D&D player/DM.
 

overgeeked

B/X Known World
Well, I'm not sure we need an adventure as long as the one in Witchlight... but I do agree with many of these concerns. More content would be better.
That does not compute. You don't need to have an adventure that touches on every single world you can reach via Spelljammer, but yeah, you'd want...I'd want it to be a grand and glorious gonzo romp across the Phlo. If you're not going to lean into the setting, why bother? I mean, really, if there's no ship-to-ship combat, no gith pirates, no mind flayer nautiloids, no neogi slavers and umber hulks, there's almost no point to it.
 

By the way, has anyone been keeping an eye on the various Amazon sites as it becomes October 12 around the world? We might get an accidental spilling of the beans like weve seen before...
 

Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
That does not compute. You don't need to have an adventure that touches on every single world you can reach via Spelljammer, but yeah, you'd want...I'd want it to be a grand and glorious gonzo romp across the Phlo. If you're not going to lean into the setting, why bother? I mean, really, if there's no ship-to-ship combat, no gith pirates, no mind flayer nautiloids, no neogi slavers and umber hulks, there's almost no point to it.

I'm actually not really trying to argue here, as we're talking about what hypothetically the format might be... I'm largely happy to wait and see what it is tomorrow, and then complain about it! ;)
 

I'm actually not really trying to argue here, as we're talking about what hypothetically the format might be... I'm largely happy to wait and see what it is tomorrow, and then complain about it! ;)
I can only imagine what the response will be if it's a random anthology or something similar that we didn't expect, with everything we've been discussing actually being a later release...
 

Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
By the way, has anyone been keeping an eye on the various Amazon sites as it becomes October 12 around the world? We might get an accidental spilling of the beans like weve seen before...

I haven't see anything... I think D&D improved their leakage with Amazon, and the last few ones have actually been sites like Barnes and Noble, D&D Beyond, and Fantasy Grounds that leaked covers.

Reddit is pretty good and finding those when it happens, but not a peep there. So maybe no leaks this time!
 




overgeeked

B/X Known World
No, the revisit is a 2024 product, if it comes to fruition. This is the cameo.
Huh. I don’t see how a 100+ page $50 adventure set entirely in a setting could possibly count as a cameo for that setting. The spelljammer ship in Mad Mage was a cameo. This isn’t.
 

An idea has just occurred to me - what if they have separate Spelljammer and Planescape setting books, but bundle them together in a "non-traditional" release, with "Multiverse" naming? As in, say, the May release is two setting books (and maybe a related adventure or two) sold in a slip case? That would technically fulfill the promise of two setting books this year without using two release slots (and like the Monsters of the Multiverse book, they would be available separately later).
 


Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
Huh. I don’t see how a 100+ page $50 adventure set entirely in a setting could possibly count as a cameo for that setting. The spelljammer ship in Mad Mage was a cameo. This isn’t.

Well, this book certainly isn't a classic setting either.

Either this is the cameo or isn't; I'm not sure it matters too much.
 

overgeeked

B/X Known World
Well, it's not a setting book either, so cameo or not, the setting book slots remain unaffected.
Well, this book certainly isn't a classic setting either.

Either this is the cameo or isn't; I'm not sure it matters too much.
Right...but the new to 5E classic settings are not the revisited 5E setting. They're separate things. They specified that the revisited setting was one they already did for 5E. So they're revisiting a setting that already had material published for it in 5E. That doesn't mean it has to be a setting book. This qualifies. A cameo is a small, walk-on appearance. This doesn't qualify. A full book about one setting isn't a cameo. This is a revisit to a setting they've already published in 5E.
 

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