D&D 5E Reworking Spell Lists (Reducing "Sameyness")

[Tony Vargas]

Does the spell-tree of: Inflict Wound -> Blight -> Contagion -> Harm feels more druidic or cleric-y to you?

"Reversed" spells like that scream EHP, to me. So Cleric.

The whole destroy life/cycle of life thing speaks Primal to me, but the reverse-Jesus thing also says ''dark cleric'' to me. Conundrum.

Sure, accelerate (or slow) healing or aging or disease (recover or succumb), for instance. But negative energy & necromancy are strongly associated with Undeath, which is antithetical.

Wizards defy nature more than Cleric or Druid. Though I'm strongly of the 'Druids are not Hippies!' persuasion (even though RL neo-pagan Druids often were exactly that), Druids have always seemed to work more nearly with nature (and, sadly, have no particular power to stop undead, beyond burning them), Clerics to claim divine dominion over nature (but not defy it perversely, unless Eeeeevil), and Wizards to embrace the outright unnatural with enthusiasm (witness all those monsters they seem to make!).

 

[tetrasodium]

Joining this a bit late & figured I'd throw in some complications to interesting up the list since it's just moving the same deckchairs around & doesn't seem to be changing flavor too much. those marked with an * don't seem to be on swordmeow's reddit for whatever reason but since I didn't see a pattern it's probably oversight or failed googlefu

• nonoffensive Cantrips
  • pen
  • Spellglobe
  • Temporal Beat
  • Sweet Dreams
  • Hairstyle
  • Dress/Undress
  • Action Image
• Offensive Cantrips
  • Gloves of Ember
  • Opposing Force
  • Santa Claws
  • Magic Splinter
  • Thundersnap*
  • Magic Muscle
  • Hallowed Hands
  • Mirror
  • Accelerate
  • Call Meteorite
• 1st
  • Lion's Maw
  • Chips & salsa
  • Ironbinds*
  • Belmont Smite
  • Mark the Spot
  • Doubleblade
  • Aerosphere
  • Boomerang Sigil
  • Medusa's Glare*
  • Snapstar
• 2nd
  • Transposition
  • nock nock
  • Weapon's Kairos
  • Electric Nails
  • Dark Sphere
  • What's yours is mine
  • What's mine is yours
  • Hide or reveal Entrance
  • Sunlight Strike
  • Freezing Feet
  • Fist of Justice
  • Bareilles Armor
  • Black Ice
• 3rd
  • Entomb*
  • Saving Hand
  • Monkey See
  • Steps of a tower
  • Primal Might
  • Grappleground*
  • Liliander's Hellspear
  • Cold Iron Strike
  • snakemake
  • Bind
  • Bow of the Huntress
  • Urie's Warped Space
  • Lesser Consumption
  • Cosmic Vision
  • Eyes of Life
  • Disenchant
  • Heavenly Prayer
  • Occult Truths and Lies
  • Vampiric allies
  • Avalanche
  • Royal Death Decree
  • Double Lightning Helix
  • Prehistoric Hail
  • Beacon for the deluded
  • Fracture Spirit*
• 4th
  • Crown of Ice
  • Judgement Day
  • Incinerate Dead
  • Dragon's Light
  • Deck the walls
  • Popsicles in summer*
  • Locate Bizarre creature
  • Shooting Star
  • Balor's Onslaught
  • West Wind
  • Thirst of the Bloodwyrm
  • Autochronal Alteration
  • Pride's Bane
  • Misty Walk
  • Salt in the Wound
  • Greatapple
  • Bowsprit
  • Amelia's Painted tie*
• 5th
  • Ascendant Flame
  • Adamantize*
  • Birds of a Fire
  • Field of Chains
  • Double Breath
  • In Shining Armor
  • Phoenix Rising
  • Moonlit Death
  • Meteor Strike
  • Cover of Moon
  • Godsmite
  • Blink of Gravity
  • Rashni's Iron Judgement
  • Cleaning Flood*
  • Aspect of Pride*
• 6th
  • Eyes of Six
  • Conjure Invisible Stalker
• 7th
  • Fractosis Plague
  • Sphinx's Roar
  • Assign Quarry
  • Create Myrmidon
• 9th
  • Prayer for the wicked
  • All Time Low
  • Morte Aeterna
• 10th
  • Allmage & 10th Level Casting Mechanic
  • Talos Arcana
  • Blood Moon
  • Worldtree*
  • Dust to Dust / Ashes to Ashes
  • Create Plane
  • Prophets of Annihilation

I was able to devote some time to finish getting these all linked up for swordmeow/meowmagic's spells cantrip to tenth level for folks to pad out the spell lists with so lists feel different and complete rather than different but lacking

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

Here's 7th level, almost there.

Spoiler: 7th level

Arcane
Delayed Blast Fireball
Etherealness
Finger of Death (Could be Divine)
Forcecage
Mordenkainen's Magnificent Mansion
Mordenkainen's Sword
Planeshift
Prismatic Spray
Reverse Gravity
Simulacrum
Teleport

Divine
Conjure Celestial
Divine Word
Power Word Pain
Project Image (4e had a power where you projected your image with godly feature)
Resurrection
Symbol (Arcane?)
Temples of the Gods

Primal
Crown of star (I know, astrology means wizard, but this one feels Primal to me)
Firestorm
Mirage Arcana (false terrain, fey thing)
Regenerate
Sequester (Reminds be of the druidic seal in Eberron)
Whirlwind

 

[TwoSix]

Here's 7th level, almost there.

Spoiler: 7th level

Arcane
Delayed Blast Fireball
Etherealness
Finger of Death (Could be Divine)
Forcecage
Mordenkainen's Magnificent Mansion
Mordenkainen's Sword
Planeshift
Prismatic Spray
Reverse Gravity
Simulacrum
Teleport

Divine
Conjure Celestial
Divine Word
Power Word Pain
Project Image (4e had a power where you projected your image with godly feature)
Resurrection
Symbol (Arcane?)
Temples of the Gods

Primal
Crown of star (I know, astrology means wizard, but this one feels Primal to me)
Firestorm
Mirage Arcana (false terrain, fey thing)
Regenerate
Sequester (Reminds be of the druidic seal in Eberron)
Whirlwind

I think I would swap Finger of Death and Symbol, but other than that I agree with everything.

 

[Tony Vargas]

I think I would swap Finger of Death and Symbol, but other than that I agree with everything.

Finger of Death was originally a Druid spell, actually.
Symbol may seem like an upgraded Glyph of Warding, but it was MU in the beginning.

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

Finger of Death was originally a Druid spell, actually.
Symbol may seem like an upgraded Glyph of Warding, but it was MU in the beginning.

I'm iffy with Finger of Death as primal, since it now creates a zombie on a kill.

 

[TwoSix]

I'm iffy with Finger of Death as primal, since it now creates a zombie on a kill.

Agreed. We've been moving Undead focused necromancy mostly into Divine, Finger of Death fits there best imo.

 

[Tony Vargas]

I'm iffy with Finger of Death as primal, since it now creates a zombie on a kill.

Eeeewwwww
withdrawn

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

So lets go with Symbol as Arcane, FoD as Divine.

 

[TwoSix]

So lets go with Symbol as Arcane, FoD as Divine.

At this rate, we'll have fixed D&D by dinner time.