D&D (2024) D&D 2024 PHB errata thread +

[TexasToaster]

As I said in the post you have just quoted, I am not disagreeing with you.

Sorry, don't know the reference. I think it's supposed to be something funny though?

It comes from Futurama when Gary Gygax, and Al Gore are trapped in a "Fry Hole" and all they have are dice and their D&D books. I was picturing a supercomputer, the inventor of the game, and a politician trying to play D&D for eternity and the arguments they would have. Sorry Nef, it was an attempt at being funny.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Here's another (unrelated) observation:

In the 2014 DMG, we have Pistols and Muskets. Bullets cost 3gp for 10, are destroyed on firing, and there's a Powder Horn for 35gp (though it only passingly mentions that the powder is used to fire the bullets, and has no rules on how, or any way that the horn becomes "used up". But the fluff is generally there.

There is no mention of gunpowder in the 2024 PHB at all., AFAICT. Now, I think we can assume that the 3gp per 10 bullets includes a cartridge of powder and a wadding, but it would be nice to mention it, I think.

 

[mellored]

How many mushrooms can an unskilled hireling pick in four months?

Depends. Am I in a wet forest, or a desert?

And is there a gold mine nearby? Because all spell components depend on the value of gold.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Depends. Am I in a wet forest, or a desert?

And is there a gold mine nearby? Because all spell components depend on the value of gold.

Sure. You can come up with things to make it work.

But we're really talking "under the usual assumptions of the D&D game", in which gold is incredibly common, but still out of the hands of your average commoner and mushrooms are relatively common set-dressing.

 

[Chaosmancer]

Rules Lawyering can be annoying, but why is there no Definition of Raw Material when the term is used 400+ times in the Rule Book? Any term used so frequently should have something to verify we all know what it means. It is like not defining manslaughter and murder and having people in a trial using the terms interchangeably.

You reminded me of Al Gore in Futurama... "I am a 9th level Politician!" lol

Well they don't define "water", "Fire" or "Acid" either. They don't even define "materials" because... why would they? At a certain point, it is just common language, and we know what is generally meant by "raw materials" in most contexts.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Funny.

The thing is, in D&D, 25gp might not be a lot of money for a PC, but for a "normal" person, it's a fortune. It's about four MONTHS work for a laborer, or two WEEKS work for a skilled hireling.

About 2500 dollars.

How many mushrooms can an unskilled hireling pick in four months?

Now, of course, D&D economy is utterly borked, but it's still amusing.

That's not even including that In the Underdark, mushrooms are the size of trees.

Either way, the spell either consumes some really incredibly expensive mushrooms, or it consumes a very large quantity of mushrooms, or both.

Google: magic mushrooms.

 

[TexasToaster]

Well they don't define "water", "Fire" or "Acid" either. They don't even define "materials" because... why would they? At a certain point, it is just common language, and we know what is generally meant by "raw materials" in most contexts.

Pg, 365 PHB.24 Damage Types -- List Contains 13 types of damages [ like water, fire, and acid ] and what they generally are.
Cold: Freezing water, icy blasts
Fire: Flames, unbearable heat
Acid: Corrosive liquids, digestive enzymes

Pg.237 PHB.24 Material(M)
A Material component is a particular material..... [definition mainly for spells]

So, by your own statement being wrong, why would they NOT define something like "Raw Material"... that is what they do in these books. We have "Spell Material", but no "Raw Material". Are there really other Materials like....
1. Meta Materials
2. Complex/Processed Materials
3. Living/Dead Materials
4. Magic Materials
5. Ethereal/Astral Materials
There is so much the game is missing by not using some of these.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

About 2500 dollars.

Google: magic mushrooms.

Yes, I know. I get the joke. Truffles is a better analogy, IMO.

Still, you're using modern pricing, which is fine for a joke (though I wonder where a laborer only gets $2500 for four months work) but I still think that it is fair to say that IN D&D, a hireling could pick a lot of mushrooms in four months. It was just a joke, after all.

At any rate, sure. A pound of Magic Mushrooms or Black Truffles or whatever.

 

[pukunui]

@TexasToaster: I will just kindly point out the + in the thread title at this point. You've established that you have a problem with the fabricate spell and the lack of a definition for "raw materials". Please let's not belabor the point any further.

 

[TexasToaster]

Time to become a bee farmer and send the son out with the pet pig to find truffles.

Sorry Puk, was just responding to what he said.

Has there been a better breakdown on how the weapon attacks/swapping/bonus attacks/nick works? Have seen a dozen different ways people are thinking it works.

It seems the way it is worded is very much against RAI.