RIP ST:TNG Movies

[JoeGKushner]

Why not something like the Five Doctors from the old Doctor Who bit? Sure, it would make continuity fans angry, but fanboys would love it. They'd get to see certain cast members for each show on one movie.

 

[takyris]

As a random side note, Umbran -- your new pic is just scarier than anything I've ever seen as an avatar. That's awesome.

That said, I agree with both sides. Saturation isn't an issue if a concept is being done well and differently each time, but because I find it incredibly unlikely that it will be done well and differently in the near future, I don't want to see it come out anytime real soon. Heck, I thought Enterprise was too early.

 

[mojo1701]

So many good points, where do I begin...?

First of all, I liked Nemesis. It certainly was better than some of the movies, despite the plot holes, but that's what happens when you're trying to stick with something already developed.

Second: Break...? Maybe. It worked for Star Wars: we're not saturated with that. Maybe.

Third: I would welcome a DS9 movie. There is potential for it to be a good story. I'll even come up with it myself (unless I don't have to put Worf back and give him a reason to just show up. I like Worf, but he appears every single frickin' movie. a Voyager movie could also, but it'd probably be a big threat from the Delta Quadrant, that only the somehow-reassembled crew can stop.

That's it for now.

 

[Ranger REG]

What we have been given has been overaturated, Star Trek on TV can be fresh if they wanted it to be, look at Firefly, Farscape, Law and Order, and West Wing. What we see is the low road, they are not trying to write good / produce stuff.

You are right. The problem is I have given Brannon Braga plenty of chances to do well. From when he took over on VOY (only a handful I can count are good episodes, while he emphasizes his GF's performance, dubbing VOY as the "Seven of Nine Show") to now, producing his own Trek show from the beginning (perhaps VOY wasn't his kind of show, but ENT is his baby).

And guess what? Other than a handful of episodes (mainly Andorian-related), I am unimpressed.

NEMESIS could have been good, if it weren't for the use of the Romulans. Either they should have gone with a different story (and perhaps continue the "Reunification" story arc with Mr. Spock), or retain the story but drop the Romulan trappings.

 

[Ranger REG]

I would love to see a Voyager movie. I loved the show, and I guess it would be possible to show us what happened to the Borg. I think it would be a great idea.

After the way Braga butchered his own creation, the Borg, in that series, I'd rather listen to two hours of fingernails raking the chalkboard.

No. It has to be an ensemble cast (a blend of TNG, DS9, and VOY) movie. If Paramount wants a do-over with the Romulans, then they can bring Leonard Nimoy onboard (Mr. Spock was last seen on Romulus working for the Reunification movement).

Most importantly, and I cannot stress this enough, Nicholas Meyer have to be brought onboard. He's the only producer/director that made two highly praised Trek films. No one can dispute that record.

 

[mojo1701]

NEMESIS could have been good, if it weren't for the use of the Romulans. Either they should have gone with a different story (and perhaps continue the "Reunification" story arc with Mr. Spock), or retain the story but drop the Romulan trappings.

The Romulan scenario could've played better, you're right. The story arc with Spock on Romulus wasn't possible, IIRC. I don't remember why, but there was a reason.

 

[Darrin Drader]

NEMESIS could have been good, if it weren't for the use of the Romulans. Either they should have gone with a different story (and perhaps continue the "Reunification" story arc with Mr. Spock), or retain the story but drop the Romulan trappings.

You are absolutely right! I think that in order to make the movies worthwhile they need to expand upon established Trek mythology. Imagine if they would have done something along the lines of a Reunification Part II. Include Spock, Tomalok, and heck, why not even toss Denise Crosby in as Tasha's romulan daughter. They could have had Spock's goal of reunification between the vulcans and the romulans getting closer to fruition, some rogue faction within the government working against it.... OK, sounds a bit like Star Trek VI, but that was a damn good movie.

What I hated about Nemesis was that the story revolved around the Picard/Data dopplegangers, the fact that they felt a need to kill a major character, yet still leave the door open for bringing him back (too much like Star Trek II), and just the general way things played out between the captain and the wannabe. Besides, if they were going to include romulans, why couldn't they just use romulans instead of some race no one's ever heard of before that look like the alt-vampires in Blade II?

I'm still holding out hope that in a few more years the cast and the producers of Trek will decide to reunite and fix what they did with Nemesis. I believe that cast still had some stories to tell, but the direction they took with the last 2 movies had no relevance. They could have given us a glimpse into the state of the federation after the return of Voyager, but the only major change we saw was that Janeway became an admiral (big surprise there).

Oh well. Maybe All Good Things... was a sadly prophetic epitaph.

 

[Darrin Drader]

The Romulan scenario could've played better, you're right. The story arc with Spock on Romulus wasn't possible, IIRC. I don't remember why, but there was a reason.

The only reason I can think of why that wouldn't work is if Leonard Nimoy finally decided not to do anymore Trek. I couldn't fault him if he did, but even so, there are possibilities using that basic premise without him.

 

[2d6]

I like ST:Nemesis and I think it is entertaining, even if it isn't perfect, it certainly wasn't an atrocity. I don't think openning it the same weekend as Harry Potter helped the situation either.

I think B&B need to go. I don't think they have a clue what's going on. Enterprise could have been an easy hit. Birth of the Federation, Romulan/federation civil war. Oh the hard core intarweb crazies would have cried foul over the inconsistancies of the timelines, but they would have gotten over it. Instead we have TCW and the xindi.

Paramount needs to find someone who can manage the property, grow the mythology and yet remain true to Roddenberry's vision.

I agree with Ranger Reg, lets see some movies. Build a writing/directing team that has a sense of all the things that make trek -trek, put together a crew of fresh faces and a new ship ad give us a good flick every two years.


Whisperfoot - wow man, I can't watch Final Frontier, I mean the only thing that movie has going for it is it isn't Manos Hand of Fate.

 

[Darrin Drader]

Whisperfoot - wow man, I can't watch Final Frontier, I mean the only thing that movie has going for it is it isn't Manos Hand of Fate.

Yeah, Final Frontier was certainly not the best Trek movie. The plot was full of holes, the galaxy was too small, and it just didn't quite stay true to Trek. In fact I have to wonder how Rodenberry even gave the greenlight to that script (I think he was still alive at that time). Despite its numerous obvious shortcomings, there are some things about that movie I do like.

* Action/adventure. For me Star Trek has started as a smarter action adventure series. Kirk was the captain, yet he was always taking the enemy to the matt and getting the girl at the end. Of all the Trek movies, I think Final Frontier had the most physical action. This thing was full of brawls, and they were fun ones, with real stunt men rather than the ones that passed for real in the original series.

* The Kirk, Bones, Spock moments. It starts with the three old friends camping and it ends the same way. It reaffirms that they are not simply ship mates, but they are family.

* Sybok. I liked the guy. True, we never heard of him before that movie, but he was interesting. A full-blooded vulcan and the half-brother of Spock who had turned his back on logic? It was an interesting premise to work with.

* The format of the movie. This wasn't a heavy movie by any stretch of the imagination. No major characters died, no one retired. If you discard the inconsistencies, the Final Frontier was very much what an episode of the original series would have been like if it had been given a higher budget, lots of extras, and more modern technology. In short, it was fun.

* The god issue. I realize that this is the very thing that people most object to. The people that immediately panned the movie thought it ludicrous that god would live at the center of the galaxy. My belief isn't that they were dealing with a deity of any kind but rather a being made of energy (which they've encountered numerous times in Trek) trying to escape imprisonment by taking over a starship. Yeah, a little far fetched, but still interesting. I don't see how Q is much different. Come to think of it, you could explain away the presence of this being by saying that its a rival of the Q continuum and they imprisoned it inside that barrier. It would make a certain amount of sense.

Of course there was the bad and the ugly about that movie: The inconsistencies regarding the size of the galaxy, the fact that they didn't even use their usual company doing the FX for some reason, The strange looking forheads on the klingons, the fat klingon ambassador, the new Enterprise turning out to be a total lemon, and the destruction of the 20th century satellite which was inexplicably in klingon space, a place that it could never have gotten to, even if it had been flying straight for all those years directly at the klingon empire. Despite these, I still find it much more watchable and fun than Nemesis.