Ripping apart the ELH...

[KarinsDad]

Just one quick question: who cares?

I play Dungeons and Dragons, not Hoes and Accountants. The economy works for the game, and that's all that really matters (at least to me).

You are correct. It is not that important.

However, to some of us, numbers like this just jump out at us as outrageous the moment we read the source material.

Just like the original topic of this thread (which we have side tracked a little), some of us read 1.4 million people in a city and immediately wonder if WotC has a typo.

Later on, we realize that they were being serious (as they are serious on some of the more uber stuff in ELH, which I picked up before gaming last night btw), and we just shake our heads. Different strokes for different folks. To some of us, the more ludicrous stuff is precisely that, ludicrous and potentially requiring house rules. YMMV.

 

[kreynolds]

Are you smoking something again kr?

I know the difference between reading one of your posts (which I didn't btw) and vaguely remembering a calculation from a year plus ago.

No. I'm not smoking anything. That's why I said I "THINK", and not I "know".

 

[Crothian]

No. I'm not smoking anything. That's why I said I "THINK", and not I "know".

"Am I going mad or did the word "think" escape your lips? You were not hired for your brain, you hippopotamic land mass."

I'm sorry, it just called out to me that that line fit so well.

 

[adept42]

I can't figure out how they got the spellcraft DCs for some of the Epic level spells. In particular, a lot of the spells with permanent duration seem way off.

The simplest example is Epic Repulsion on page 79. Base DC is 14, *5 for being permanent gives is DC 70 and -18 for the mitigating factor gives us 52, the listed DC. So far so good.

Now look at Enslave on the same page. Base DC 19 + 11 for stricter compulsion +20 for 1 action casting time is 50. Multiplying that by 5 for the permanent duration gives us 250 and the -50 mitigating factor leaves a massive DC 200; far higher than the DC 80 listed.

Okay, maybe we're supposed to just multiply the base DC by 5 (despite the annotation on page 91 that says you should apply the 'permanent' factor last). This gives us a DC of 76 (19*5 +20 +11 -50 = 76). What if we add the mitigating factor before multiplying by 5 (ignoring the fact that this messes up the Epic Repulsion calculation). This gives us (19 + 11 + 20 -50)*5 = 0.

In fact, Epic Repulsion is the only spell with the *5 permanent multiplier whose DC seems correct. Are these all misprints or is something else going on?

-adept42

 

[kreynolds]

"Am I going mad or did the word "think" escape your lips? You were not hired for your brain, you hippopotamic land mass."

I'm not familiar with that line.

 

[Crothian]

I'm not familiar with that line.

Princess Bride. Vizzini speaking to Fezzik. They just kidnapped the Princes and loading her onto the boat.

 

[KarinsDad]

No. I'm not smoking anything. That's why I said I "THINK", and not I "know".

You and I have got to get together for a weekend game some year.

 

[Crothian]

You and I have got to get together for a weekend game some year.

I'd buy a ticket to be at that table.

 

[KarinsDad]

In fact, Epic Repulsion is the only spell with the *5 permanent multiplier whose DC seems correct. Are these all misprints or is something else going on?

My guess is that it is not kr that's doing the heavy smoking, but Andy and Bruce. And they got paid for it too.

Well, back to my ELH reading.........

 

[kreynolds]

In fact, Epic Repulsion is the only spell with the *5 permanent multiplier whose DC seems correct. Are these all misprints or is something else going on?

Page 89, ELH, Development Is an Art...

If necessary, assess an "ad-hoc" Spellcraft DC adjustment for any effect that cannot be extrapolated from the seeds and factors presented here - the example spells in this chapter use ad hoc factors frequently.

Either it's a mistake or it's ad-hoc, or maybe both.