Rise of Skywalker: The Seen It/Spoilers Thread

Rate RISE OF SKYWALKER

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  • ★★★ Average

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  • ★★ Not Great

    Votes: 12 16.7%
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Morrus

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That “worst movie ever” hyperbolic nonsense just makes me disregard that person. Obviously this movie isn’t “garbage” or whatever, even if you don’t like it. It’s clearly an OK movie even if it didn’t follow the plot you’d already written in your head.
 

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That “worst movie ever” hyperbolic nonsense just makes me disregard that person. Toxic fandom is a side of the internet I’m happy to ignore. Obviously this movie isn’t “garbage” or whatever, even if you don’t like it. It’s clearly an OK movie even if it didn’t follow the plot you’d already written in your head.

Man, the internet is broken. What nonsense.
I dont consider it anywhere near "the worst movie ever".

But its pretty clear they didnt put much thought into these latter movies. To the point where in some sequences of events and/or scenes its a complete copy with a new paint job.

This isnt toxic fandom. Nor do i think it ranks close to (imo) the worst movies, but i do think the latter movies are incredibly lazy. Am i not allowed to think they suck?

(Also far too many people think they are garbage for them to be "ok". The amount of people who think its garbage actually outnumber the population of the original fanbase. So its a bit hard for it to just be the original fans (plenty of which did like it. Its a mix))
 


Nebulous

Legend
Inventing new force powers in a Star Wars movie isn't a problem; it's tradition. It's how force powers get introduced. It would be weird if they didn't.

That's a good point. Now I wish we had even more canonical force powers.

Wait, what was introduced in Phantom - Revenge? I haven't seen those in a long time or tried to forget them. I know R2D2 can fly, does that count? Lol. That was new :)
 

That “worst movie ever” hyperbolic nonsense just makes me disregard that person. Toxic fandom is a side of the internet I’m happy to ignore. Obviously this movie isn’t “garbage” or whatever, even if you don’t like it. It’s clearly an OK movie even if it didn’t follow the plot you’d already written in your head.

Man, the internet is broken. What nonsense.
Right now the actual professional critics rotten tomatoes hires on are rating it in the 50s and they are signifficantly motivated to give it a good rating. Thats HORRIBAD. If you dont believe me check out rotten tomatoes.
 

Straight to the hyperbole again, eh? You’re allowed to think what you want. I’ll have my own opinion about the way you choose to express it.
What was hyperbolic? What level of dislike is considered "reasonable" while diverging from your personal assessment of the movie? Like...whats your measuring stick? I never said anything about it being the worst movie ever. That was you being hyperbolic.

Consider how your post that i initially replied to is worded.

Most of the post i made that it was referencing was meant to be humorous (ani says he hates sand and its a huge meme btw)
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
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Right now the actual professional critics rotten tomatoes hires on are rating it in the 50s and they are signifficantly motivated to give it a good rating. Thats HORRIBAD. If you dont believe me check out rotten tomatoes.
Nah; I’m only interested in what I and what we in this current conversation think about it. We don’t need to outsource our opinions. I’m sure we can muster the wherewithal to form our own. :)
 

Leatherhead

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Right now the actual professional critics rotten tomatoes hires on are rating it in the 50s and they are signifficantly motivated to give it a good rating.
No they aren't.

If anything, critics are motivated to give extreme ratings in order to generate clicks. Middle of the road reviews are bad for their business model.
 

No thanks. I’m only interested in I and what we in this conversation think about it.
Ok. shrug

I got my opinion and you got yours.

You think mine is hyperbolic. Cool. I dont think yours is.

Though i think your opinion of my opinion is hyperbolic and assumes an awful lot.

I guess only the time (10 years maybe?) will tell how good people really eventually settle on thinkinv the movie is when given a general comparison and time for the culture to really digest it.
 

"Right now the actual professional critics rotten tomatoes hires on are rating it in the 50s and they are signifficantly motivated to give it a good rating. Thats HORRIBAD. If you dont believe me check out rotten tomatoes."
If anything, critics are motivated to give extreme ratings in order to generate clicks. Middle of the road reviews are bad for their business model.
Yeah? I alluded to that. With star wars its specifically motivation for extremely good ratings.

I was saying that its bad enough that it has caused them to get into the middle region in spite of the motivation to be at the extremes (in this case AN extreme though)
 

Morrus

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You think mine is hyperbolic. Cool. I dont think yours is.

I don’t know what your opinion is. Haven’t read your post yet. You’re just the person who jumped down my throat when I said I didn’t like internet hyperbolic opinions.

Though i think your opinion of my opinion is hyperbolic and assumes an awful lot.
That’s not what hyperbolic means.
 

Straight to the hyperbole again, eh? You’re allowed to think what you want. I’ll have my own opinion about the way you choose to express it.
The word "again" makes it clear whom you were responding to.

At this point both our time is being wasted so how about we just drop the talk of hyperbole and opinion?
That’s not what hyperbolic means.
I used it perfectly. Perhaps you just didnt notice how it applies.
 

Derren

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I guess this another case of "Everyone who dislikes a movie with a female lead is a misogynist" like with Star Trek Discovery?
 

Morrus

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I guess this another case of "Everyone who dislikes a movie with a female lead is a misogynist" like with Star Trek Discovery?
Is it? I’ll point out that those are your own words. Do you get called a misogynist a lot?
 



Zardnaar

Legend
Right now the actual professional critics rotten tomatoes hires on are rating it in the 50s and they are signifficantly motivated to give it a good rating. Thats HORRIBAD. If you dont believe me check out rotten tomatoes.

Rotten tomatoes is junk IMHO. The divergence between critics and audiences is becoming very common.

Critics like arty fartie indie movies, historical dramas type movies.

The telling critical reception IMHO was the premiere. Disney's hand picked friendly reviewers gave it mixed reviews.

The other problem is a lot of reviews are simple up or downs. There's a big difference between a 60% movie and 90% IMHO but both count as positive.

Even the worst Star Wars movies (AotC, TPM) still count as good with simple ups and downs.

I'm not sure what counts as a one star movie. Highlander 2 maybe, some Netflix ones.
TLJ is probably plotted better, people don't like the way it treated Luke and other decisions. Probably should have been the third movie not second.

Plot and pacing RoS is a mess but it's more fun in a way. Only critics things I noticed was it's exposition heavy so I paid more attention to some of the lines. They do attempt to explain a lot of things, maybe not well but they try.
 

Negative reviews generate more traffic. If it was truly horrible they would be cashing in on that cow.
There have been exceptions when there was ebough pressure. Nu-star wars was one right up until this movie when they'd had enough. Their go-plan was to give extreme good reviews. And they did. Until this movie. This movie they are rating it in the 50s (most of the days its been out so far). Like you yourself said, and i already knew, something they dont do often. Its because some are towing the line and some arent. And some are in the middle for assorted reasons.
 

Derren

Hero
Rotten tomatoes is junk IMHO. The divergence between critics and audiences is becoming very common.

Critics like arty fartie indie movies, historical dramas type movies.

The telling critical reception IMHO was the premiere. Disney's hand picked friendly reviewers gave it mixed reviews.

The other problem is a lot of reviews are simple up or downs. There's a big difference between a 60% movie and 90% IMHO but both count as positive.

Even the worst Star Wars movies (AotC, TPM) still count as good with simple ups and downs.

I'm not sure what counts as a one star movie. Highlander 2 maybe, some Netflix ones.
TLJ is probably plotted better, people don't like the way it treated Luke and other decisions. Probably should have been the third movie not second.

Plot and pacing RoS is a mess but it's more fun in a way.
Is metacritic more to your liking then? There the review and user score is close together. 54 and 5.1

Without the Star Wars bonus this movie would likely be a strong contender for the golden raspberry together with Cats.

Disneys stock price has also dropped a lot in the last few days.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
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Based on previous movie threads you do seem to have very different thresholds for what you consider "too much" critique based on the gender of the lead actor.
I don’t know what that means. Only you have conjured gender and misogyny out of the blue. Nobody else has mentioned it. Or, indeed, mentioned you. I think we’re talking about you, not me. It’s a curious association to go out of your way to make.
 

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