"Rules: Saiyans" by Anubis

[Anubis]

Can you take Quicken Spell-Like Ability and apply it to the Dimension Door ability from the Saiyan Elite class?

I would have to say yes to that. It is a spell-like ability, and Quicken Spell-Like Ability is a feat, so yes.

Powerful stuff indeed, but that's Dragonball for ya'!

 

[Silverthrone]

Any saiyan elite, the royal saiyans, are able to control their oozaru forms. Vegeta explains this pretty well by his own words. It is the lower class saiyans, like Goku and Raditz that do not control their oozaru forms.

Also, you rate the avergae saiyan as having a strength of 27. That is way low. Even as a child, Goku could lift far more than that.

Consider a strength of 27 is a max lift 1,040 pounds.

Goku as a child could easily throw a tank. Consider the Red Ribbon tanks to be equivalent to a panzer, which weighed in at about 75 tons. Now consider that to throw it, it would have to be a medium load to Goku. The tank would weigh 150,000 pounds. That is a strength score of about 69 as a child, power level approximately 175.

Scale that to Raditz, power level about 2,000, meaning Raditz was about 12 times stronger than Goku, meaning he could throw about 1,800,000 pounds. That is a strength score of about 85.

Saiyans are amazingly strong creatures, eventually surpassing planet destroying levels, especially considering the mere shockwaves caused by super saiyan Goku's punches crumbled mountains.

Also, in Dragonball, improving one's ki can be learned, but one can be born with higher ki without any training at all.

 

[Silverthrone]

I wrote a good bit of material for the DBZ RPG for R. Talsorian, but not much of it got published. If You would like any help on a DBZ D20 conversion, let me know.

 

[Anubis]

Any saiyan elite, the royal saiyans, are able to control their oozaru forms. Vegeta explains this pretty well by his own words. It is the lower class saiyans, like Goku and Raditz that do not control their oozaru forms.

Also, you rate the avergae saiyan as having a strength of 27. That is way low. Even as a child, Goku could lift far more than that.

Consider a strength of 27 is a max lift 1,040 pounds.

Goku as a child could easily throw a tank. Consider the Red Ribbon tanks to be equivalent to a panzer, which weighed in at about 75 tons. Now consider that to throw it, it would have to be a medium load to Goku. The tank would weigh 150,000 pounds. That is a strength score of about 69 as a child, power level approximately 175.

Scale that to Raditz, power level about 2,000, meaning Raditz was about 12 times stronger than Goku, meaning he could throw about 1,800,000 pounds. That is a strength score of about 85.

Saiyans are amazingly strong creatures, eventually surpassing planet destroying levels, especially considering the mere shockwaves caused by super saiyan Goku's punches crumbled mountains.

Also, in Dragonball, improving one's ki can be learned, but one can be born with higher ki without any training at all.

For the Oozaru forms, the thing that sets them apart from Lycanthropes is that Lycanthropes can learn to control the transformation itself, which Saiyans can never do. I will probably make a feat or something that allows the control of the form, but it will still function similar to Rage.

The problem is that Dragonball is vague in some places. In early Dragonball, Goku was less powerful than Roshi, and equal with Krillin, at least in terms of skill.

Honestly, if I gave Saiyans that much Strength, they would be ECL +20 or more, which I feel is unnecessary.

I took the spirit of the Dragonball Saiyans but did have to lower the power somewhat to make it balance with a normal campaign.

 

[Silverthrone]

I took the spirit of the Dragonball Saiyans but did have to lower the power somewhat to make it balance with a normal campaign.

My apologies, I thought you were going for a direct port of saiyans from the series.

 

[Anubis]

I wrote a good bit of material for the DBZ RPG for R. Talsorian, but not much of it got published. If You would like any help on a DBZ D20 conversion, let me know.

Well, what I'm looking for isn't a general d20 conversion, but rather a specific conversion that allows Saiyans to fit in a normal campaign with all other classes.

If you think the material could still help, feel free to share it, although I must say that this won't be official published material in any way, but rather just posted here at EN World for people to use however they like, meaning there is no money involved.

If you're interested, go ahead and share it, and we'll see how it fits with what I already have. What's posted already, with the exception of possible errata, is already "set in stone" so to speak. All I need now is rules for Super Saiyan forms.

 

[Anubis]

My apologies, I thought you were going for a direct port of saiyans from the series.

Ah, I see. It's okay. Heh, no, a direct port would never balanced within the normal game. I'm just looking for something a bit more simple. Thanks anyway, and thanks for showing interest!

 

[Anabstercorian]

Easy. Go with this - Saiyans aren't born with much more Ki than anyone else (though they tend towards it, thanks to their Saiyen's Toughness feat) but they are born with the ability to use it. Goku could heave tanks around because he could use his Ki like Psychofeedback to enhance his strength checks, allowing him to lift enormous objects, but not to break human bodies - They require completely different kinds of strength, and he didn't have the training to boost fast movements to that level.

 

[Anabstercorian]

Easy. Go with this - Saiyans aren't born with much more Ki than anyone else (though they tend towards it, thanks to their Saiyen's Toughness feat) but they are born with the ability to use it. Goku could heave tanks around because he could use his Ki like Psychofeedback to enhance his strength checks, allowing him to lift enormous objects, but not to break human bodies - They require completely different kinds of strength, and he didn't have the training to boost fast movements to that level.

 

[Silverthrone]

The material I did was mostly a try for a direct port, so it may not be of much use.

I am pretty familiar with DBZ history and knowledge of it's universe and chracters.

I have some information on saiyan culture and history if you would like it.