Savage Species feat - Fling Enemy
- Thread starter Kusuf ibn Zaid
- Start date
LuYangShih
First Post
Strange, I could've sworn Fire Giants were size Huge. You are correct though. My mistake.
Ok, in 1990 Randy Barnes set the world shot put record by heaving the 20 pound ball 75 feet, 10.25 inches..
But in 1988 Szymon Ziolkowski from Poland heaved a hammer 83.38 meters (273.56 feet).
So if we assume these atheletes are around 200 lbs, are about 6 feet tall, and are throwing an item that weighs 1/10th of their weight we can see that there is a massive difference in the distances based almost entirely on how the item is thrown. Shot puts are thrown with the ball against your cheek and your arm cocked, with the force coming from legs, arm, and fingers.. The hammer is gripped by a handle and swung around and released at the highest part of its arc..
What this means is that if a man just chunks 1/20th of his weight he can make it travel about 12.5 times his height. If he grabs it, swings it around, and FLINGS it he can make it travel about 45 and a half times his height!!
So by this example a 30 foot tall monster weighing 2000 lbs could grab a human and shot put him 375 feet, but probably won't because shot puts are round but people are long, and it would take a couple of rounds to compress the hapless human into a nice round mass..
More likely he will grab the human by the feet and hammer-throw him, up to 1350 feet in this case.. 1350 FEET! This is just a height/distance equations all things being relative and not getting into mass, density or whether two African Swallows can carry a coconut by gripping it by the husk....
Any how, the people in these examples are world record holders and Olympic gold medal winners, so they really have the DND equivilant of having multiple feats in "Throwing Things REALLY Far" that not every Giant or Huge monster is going to have, so just being heaved 600 feet seems like a good compromise..
Oh, and we are forgetting that the thrown people will be traveling in an arc parallel to the ground, and when they hit they are not going to stop, they are going to bounce, roll, tumble, and get smeared all over the place, so you could just assume that the giant throws the hapless adventurer much less than 600 feet, but the remainder of the distance is him sliding face first through the gravel. (And briars, and thorns, and broken glass.)
CAM
But in 1988 Szymon Ziolkowski from Poland heaved a hammer 83.38 meters (273.56 feet).
So if we assume these atheletes are around 200 lbs, are about 6 feet tall, and are throwing an item that weighs 1/10th of their weight we can see that there is a massive difference in the distances based almost entirely on how the item is thrown. Shot puts are thrown with the ball against your cheek and your arm cocked, with the force coming from legs, arm, and fingers.. The hammer is gripped by a handle and swung around and released at the highest part of its arc..
What this means is that if a man just chunks 1/20th of his weight he can make it travel about 12.5 times his height. If he grabs it, swings it around, and FLINGS it he can make it travel about 45 and a half times his height!!
So by this example a 30 foot tall monster weighing 2000 lbs could grab a human and shot put him 375 feet, but probably won't because shot puts are round but people are long, and it would take a couple of rounds to compress the hapless human into a nice round mass..
More likely he will grab the human by the feet and hammer-throw him, up to 1350 feet in this case.. 1350 FEET! This is just a height/distance equations all things being relative and not getting into mass, density or whether two African Swallows can carry a coconut by gripping it by the husk....
Any how, the people in these examples are world record holders and Olympic gold medal winners, so they really have the DND equivilant of having multiple feats in "Throwing Things REALLY Far" that not every Giant or Huge monster is going to have, so just being heaved 600 feet seems like a good compromise..
Oh, and we are forgetting that the thrown people will be traveling in an arc parallel to the ground, and when they hit they are not going to stop, they are going to bounce, roll, tumble, and get smeared all over the place, so you could just assume that the giant throws the hapless adventurer much less than 600 feet, but the remainder of the distance is him sliding face first through the gravel. (And briars, and thorns, and broken glass.)
CAM
Last edited:
Celebrim
Legend
christm: From posts like that I can deduce you've never thrown a hammer or a shot put, and you've never taken college physics.
Also, assuming proportions could be maintained, a 30' tall human scaled up from a 6' tall 200 lb human would weigh 25,000 lb's, not 2000. But then again, 30' tall is pretty big even for a D&D giant.
Anyhow, if you think having giants hurl humans 600' through the air makes for a good game, go right ahead.
Also, assuming proportions could be maintained, a 30' tall human scaled up from a 6' tall 200 lb human would weigh 25,000 lb's, not 2000. But then again, 30' tall is pretty big even for a D&D giant.
Anyhow, if you think having giants hurl humans 600' through the air makes for a good game, go right ahead.
You are right on both counts Celebrim, I have neither taken College physics or ever been in track. The day they start requiring Physics for my masters degree program is the day I change colleges. Likewise the day my DM starts requiring us to use real life physics in a FRPG is the day that I start posting notices at the game shop for a new gaming group. Physics ruins lives, families, and social skills.
CAM
CAM
Ysgarran
Registered User
Dash Dannigan said:
The same according the SRD.
Question: Can even the huge giants take this feat? I didn't think 'Improved Grapple' was a feat that creatures could normally take and that it really fell into the 'special' abilities category. Then again I don't have my books with me so I can't look this up. I'll check when I get home.
later,
Brian F.
