Saving Throws 101 : Refrench My Memory Please

[FCWesel]

Hey all, I know this might be a stupid qiuestion (Yes, I know there's no stupid questions, just stupid people ) but here goes.

Assuming a character has a base save of "0" and a attribute modifier of -2 (for example). Is thier save then -2, or is a saving throw always at least a "0".

As an aside:

When a Attribute is reduced either normally its just low or save by posion or other debilitating attacks, is that NEGATIVE modifier applied to all things such as skills, saves, attacks, etc...correct?

 

[Pax]

A negative modifier is a negative modifier. Saves are the base save bonus, plus any attribute modifier.

So, yes, with a base save of +0, and an attribute modifier of -2, you have a net save of -2. Sucks to be you ...

 

[hammymchamham]

As an aside:

When a Attribute is reduced either normally its just low or save by posion or other debilitating attacks, is that NEGATIVE modifier applied to all things such as skills, saves, attacks, etc...correct?

Right-o

 

[FCWesel]

not me...my player....muwhahahahahah... Here comes the Hold Person and Charm spells....

 

[Staffan]

When a Attribute is reduced either normally its just low or save by posion or other debilitating attacks, is that NEGATIVE modifier applied to all things such as skills, saves, attacks, etc...correct?

Negative modifiers are added to most things just as positive modifiers. There are a few exceptions where negative modifiers are treated differently (e.g. a Str penalty isn't multiplied by 1.5 when using a two-handed weapon, and a low-Dex character with Combat Reflexes doesn't lose his regular attack of opportunity), but those are pretty rare.

 

[Gez]

You already have your answer. I was just wondering what could a refrenching of memory be.

 

[FCWesel]

Its a term that's been around for a long time...just rplaces "refreshing" with refrenching...kind of like asking for a flavour instead of a favour.

"Can you do me a flavour?"

Just plain old silly

 

[MerakSpielman]

or saying "ex-squeeze me?"

 

[Murrdox]

baking powder?

 

[CanadienneBacon]

Good stuff, now how about...

I was wondering, and I should first specify that I'm playing a 3ed campaign, whether armor's enchantment bonus adds the same bonus to saves? We're playing that (for example) a +1 suit of armor also adds a +1 to Fort, Ref, and Will each. When I tried to find this rule in the 3ed core books, I couldn't locate it. Anyone out there know where I could find this rule? Or, perhaps it's a 2ed rule? Two of our party grew up playing 2ed, so they may have simply assumed the same rule about armor adding to saves is a rule for 3ed. I'm almost scared to ask about this during gametime since we're playing a campaign heavily dependent upon good saves.