Say NO to 3.5

[herald]

Mind you, MANY people simply buy the books because it's D&D. I know quite a few who order(ed) them months before their release. Now how silly is that?

Ah, so my pre-purchace of a product is now silly. Hey Shadowlord, I buy almost all of the WOTC products too. So now I guess I'm a sheep. Nevermind that I find the books entertaining to read or want a broad expanse of writers take on D&D.

Here's an opinion, I think that it really isn't any of your business what people buy. If I want the rules, I'll buy the rules.

Otherwise there are some 2e, 1e, and Oe naysayers that you can join on the sidelines.

 

[FDP Mike]

There's only two kinds of people who will buy those books:
1. Those who are new to the game which is OK.
2. Those fanatic enough to take whatever WOTC throws at them. I wouldn't wanna eat dirt like that...

Oh my, here we go again ....

Really, you -- and Jody Butt -- would be better served airing such a rant on RPG.net. There, you'll definitely find a lot more moral support.

Gotta love fearmongering and smokescreens based on someone else's opinions.




Take care,
Mike

 

[idum]

Right, piratecat.
Wotc is a made-profit group, not a groups of people that wanna gift you a funny way to spend your free-time. Nothing bad if they wanna gain from their work.

It is fun: for 6 months people has wrote about "how good will be new ranger" or "yeah finally Haste is nerfed" or "Monk now have a sense" etc.
Since the first wotc announce people has knew that it will cause a 90$ (or €120) loss for new core books.

No people has told that this is bad because it is only a marketing action (prevedible with the launch of new miniatures line).

Now, Monte tell "this is all a cospiracy: wotc want your money!" and only now do you wake up and see the truth?

This is unreasonable.

Our pourpose is a better gaming system, not fight against marketing rules.
I think that one may give a look at complete rule-scheme (from sdr or other's books) before spend his money. This is an interesting possibility that in the past did't exist. If, and only if, the new rules fits with your playing style, you can decide to buy it.

idum

 

[Marimmar]

I like seeing most of our house rules packed into a new PHB. I also like having monsters which actually challenge a party of their level and aren't either sissies or killers for the parties they are designed to face.

I will buy the new stuff, one at a time and without regret.

~Marimmar

 

[Henry]

Baaaaaaaaaaa.

I'm waiting for the SRD.

 

[Mark]

Assuming even that someone pays full price, the hours and hours and hours of enjoyment derived from a game over three years more than justifies the upgrade. I spend more money on a single evening out with a date (concert tickets and dinner) than it costs to get these books. I'd dare say most people own many things of which they get little to no use that cost more than the three 3.5 books...picking up the Revised Player Handbook is likely a given for most anyone even remotely interested in D&D.

 

[Enceladus]

Shadowlord, did you finish the article or even read it at all?

Should you buy 3.5? Frankly, of course you should. The books are out, and if keeping up with future D&D and d20 products is important to you, you'll want to know what's up. And, once you finally get up to speed on the changes and toss out the bad ones, your game will be fine. In some ways, it will be better than it was. I predict that the majority of existing players out there will buy 3.5, and then house rule some of it back to 3.0. House rules, in fact, will become much more varied and prevalent from this point on -- but that's a whole 'nother article.

And to those who think they're some sort of intellectual by saying people will be playing a "massively house ruled" game of 3.0.
What is 3.5 if not a massively house ruled game of 3.0?

 

[Desdichado]

(referring to thinking for himself) That's exactly what I'm doing.

How is that? You read Monte's review and decided that the books were worthless. You haven't even seen the books.

 

[Zarrock God of Evil]

Well, for anyone wanting an estimate of the "willingness" to purchase the new edition, I have som rough figures from Aarhus, Denmark.

The city has a population of 275.000 (of which 50.000 study at universities or similar).

The 3.0 PHB sold between 200-300 copies

The FLGS owner has set up the 3.5 "package" for sale at a 10% discount and has so many preorders that he expects to sell just as many of these 3.5 packages as he sold 3.0 PHB (but it seems that the trend here is that most of the people who buy the PHB also buy the two other core books. We do have some tradition for multiple GM groups, though).

But of course most of the gamers here have no clue what EnWorld is (unfortunately) - so the must be buying the books out of sheer trust in WotC

-Zarrock

 

[Ysgarran]

I have to say one thing that will annoy the living heck out of me in the 3.5 books will be errata. I'm developer by trade, not a game developer, a software developer. The point is that I understand that getting the details correct in all aspects is a very difficult job to do. OTOH, there are alot of techniques and processes that really limit the number of problems.

My impression is that the main driving force for 3.5 is financial.
No one I know has said 'We must have new rulebooks". Before the 3.5 announcement no one on these boards was clamouring for a new set of rulebooks to buy. It might be nice to have the revised rules (i.e. I'm looking forward to the 3.5 Ranger) but the current set of rules are doing a fine job.

Given that the demand has not been driven by the players I would have much preferred that another month or so would have been given to ensuring errata was at a minimum rather than pushing the product out the door. The amount of errata will tell us quite about the balance between how important making the 'numbers' was versus the quality of the product.

Time will tell about just how bad the errata will be but the latest news about the 3.5 PrCs does not give me the warm fuzzies.

Ysgarran.