D&D 5E Second Wind: Yes or No?

[Balesir]

I guess it's OK to hate "gamist" (=metagame, I think) mechanics.

I rather thought the hate was on 4e via its subsystems (specifically healing surges and second wind), with "gamist" being used as an (undefined) random pejorative-du-jour.

 

[Ratskinner]

I guess it's OK to hate "gamist" (=metagame, I think) mechanics. But that would seem to mandate hating hit points as a mechanic, and using a wound system of some sort (eg Rolemaster, HARP).

Just to clear, one can hate traditional HP without hating gamist mechanics.

 

[VictorC]

I say optional, and even then only daily.

 

[Garthanos]

and even then only daily.

Which is actually how they are in 4e... your healing surges limit how many you can do... they also limit other healings so its actually a significantly smaller number if you have a typical leader in the group which triggers heals limited by hs.

 

[VictorC]

Well, yes and no. In 4e second winds are per encounter. Being a big fan of 4e, there was too much access to healing for me.

Star Wars Saga had the "second wind" as a "Daily" and in my opinion that was the sweet spot for the self-heal.

 

[Garthanos]

Well, yes and no. In 4e second winds are per encounter.

Second wind is "mostly" useless if you have no healing surges... for the most part its still a daily resource with a once per encounter limit. And an inneficient one to the alternative healing techniques... so its low on the totem of use for a healing surge.

 

[Nemesis Destiny]

Second wind is "mostly" useless if you have no healing surges... for the most part its still a daily resource with a once per encounter limit. And an inneficient one to the alternative healing techniques... so its low on the totem of use for a healing surge.

At the cost of a Standard Action, definitely. If you can make it into a Minor or Free Action (i.e. if you're playing a Dwarf or have an item that improves SW, etc), it becomes much more compelling an option, even with its inherent inefficiency.

 

[Garthanos]

At the cost of a Standard Action, definitely. If you can make it into a Minor or Free Action (i.e. if you're playing a Dwarf or have an item that improves SW, etc), it becomes much more compelling an option, even with its inherent inefficiency.

Point is its limited based on a Daily resource not purely encounter...
and normally has enough tactical negative to be mostly just a back up.

 

[VictorC]

Second wind is "mostly" useless if you have no healing surges... for the most part its still a daily resource with a once per encounter limit. And an inneficient one to the alternative healing techniques... so its low on the totem of use for a healing surge.

Your argument is grasping. If you have the option to do it more than once daily, it ceases to be a daily (with the exception of very few examples). The ridiculous manner in which you're attempting to frame this discussion would mean everything in 4e is a daily.

Yeah, at-wills, yeah their a daily recourse with an at-will limit.

Point is its limited based on a Daily resource not purely encounter...
and normally has enough tactical negative to be mostly just a back up.

Nope, just checked my 4e PHB, once per encounter. repeating yourself doesn't make it more true.
Nor does the fact that it's connected to a "daily resource" due to the fact that resource to which you refer is more than plentiful.

 

[Garthanos]

Your argument is grasping. If you have the option to do it more than once daily, it ceases to be a daily (with the exception of very few examples).

No Vancian Spells are Daily then????????