See Invisibility & Dancing Lights

[Darklone]

Shocked my DM some while ago. My character cast See invisibility (useful since that enemy wizard was 5 lvls above group average) and Dancing Lights and kept the lights on the position of the mage (no action ).

We ruled that as per spell description the lights stayed at the position of the wizard (as long I kept line of sight) but the group members still had 50% miss chance since they only knew his location and not his exact position (Kinda displacement).

How would you rule it?

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

It seems reasonable to me.
It might be a bit much power for the cantrip, but on the other hand - you could have pin-pointed his location by throwing darts or daggers at him, this would have also helped the other characters...

 

[Darklone]

Too powerful?

I don't think so... two actions, casting two spells... I would think it's too powerful if your comrades don't have a miss chance then. (which would essentially turn it into an invisibility purge with double range at a lower spell level)

 

[pontus]

How would you rule it?

Even though moving the lights requires no concentration, I'd only let them more on your action.

 

[hong]

It's a perfectly legit use of the spell. As for only moving the dancing lights on your own turn, that's easily overcome via delaying and/or readying by the party members. Although I'm surprised the invisible wizard didn't just toast you at the first opportunity....

 

[Darklone]

It's a perfectly legit use of the spell. As for only moving the dancing lights on your own turn, that's easily overcome via delaying and/or readying by the party members. Although I'm surprised the invisible wizard didn't just toast you at the first opportunity....

How would you have ruled the miss chance? Dancing lights can form a humanoid shape of light ... the players said it could stay where the mage is, the DM (and me) thought there's still a miss chance...

As for him toasting me... He kinda tried. 10d6 lightning bolts and other ugly things came flying towards my poor little lvl6 bard multiclasser. In the third round I was at 0hp sitting in the back corner of the warehouse after dodging as hell and he caught a crit from our big big fighter (lvl9). He decided to leave very fast then and I couldn't actually follow. Drank a potion and saved the butt of our fighter against the 4 lvl6-8 fighter bodyguards of the wiz.

Well, bards tend to heroic behaviour... gave him a nice farewell wave as he ran out of the door.

 

[hong]

How would you have ruled the miss chance? Dancing lights can form a humanoid shape of light ... the players said it could stay where the mage is, the DM (and me) thought there's still a miss chance...

50% miss chance, as usual. Dancing lights shouldn't be a substitute for glitterdust or see invisibility. If you want a rationale, assume that tracking the movements of an actively evading character takes more time and concentration than can be managed (especially given distractions). So the fighter swings at the outlined shape, but it happens to be where the wizard _was_ a fraction of a second ago, _not_ where he is now... 50% miss chance.

As for him toasting me... He kinda tried. 10d6 lightning bolts and other ugly things came flying towards my poor little lvl6 bard multiclasser. In the third round I was at 0hp sitting in the back corner of the warehouse after dodging as hell and he caught a crit from our big big fighter (lvl9). He decided to leave very fast then and I couldn't actually follow. Drank a potion and saved the butt of our fighter against the 4 lvl6-8 fighter bodyguards of the wiz.

Well, bards tend to heroic behaviour... gave him a nice farewell wave as he ran out of the door.