Dragongirl
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I have no problem with the subject, I just don't care for the language.Kamikaze Midget said:I'd say lighten up, DG.As long as it's only acted out in the game, it's fairly harmless...y'know, like GTA.
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Sex and the Single Adventurer
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Alzrius
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This never came up in my game, though whether it was because the PCs were too busy killing things, or because they knew I'd use their significant others as weaknesses for evil NPC's to attack them, I don't know.
Had it, I probably would have taken a page out of Phil Foglio's book and just said "You both give your cardiovascular systems a good work out, and you gain five experience points." I wouldn't have bothered with thinking about a child at all, though I think Megamania's idea of rolling for it is a good one.
Of course, with NPCs like Vuall from Legions of Hell and products like The Book of Vile Darknes I'm starting to wonder if I should have brought that up more in my game.
Had it, I probably would have taken a page out of Phil Foglio's book and just said "You both give your cardiovascular systems a good work out, and you gain five experience points." I wouldn't have bothered with thinking about a child at all, though I think Megamania's idea of rolling for it is a good one.
Of course, with NPCs like Vuall from Legions of Hell and products like The Book of Vile Darknes I'm starting to wonder if I should have brought that up more in my game.
Kai Lord
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Dragongirl said:
My joke was directed at juvenile nature of "scoring" in a role-playing game, not women. Please forgive me if you were offended. Since respect between the genders is indeed a touchy subject for many people, I do admit my comment was irresponsible. It wasn't indicitave of my true sentiments, just goin' for a cheap laugh.
Once again, if you were offended, you have my sincere apology.
jmucchiello
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I'd love to know the age of the posters whose games have these characters who have a special friend in every village and inn. Our group, everyone's in the 30s and 40s and it just doesn't come up. I think it was about 4 years ago when the last fade to black scene occured between my character and a lovely elf from Myth Drannor. It was a time travel story so we always joked that he was his own great, great, great grandfather.
tleilaxu
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well lets see... my group has a number of regulars
dm, 27 and married with a kid has included homosexual characters, and humorous references toward shepherds' habits
one pc who is mid-30s, also married with a kid who enjoys playing slimeballs who enjoy dicing and bordellos
another player, early 30s, just married, whose dwarf character liked to blow his money on gambling, ale and women of loose morals.
Actually, the younger players in the game (those in their 20s) rarely bring up sexuality yet the older players do more often, so in my personal experience age doesn't have much to do with it.
ALthough we do have one 20 year old male player who tends to play female characters and he gets made fun of a bit for that...
dm, 27 and married with a kid has included homosexual characters, and humorous references toward shepherds' habits
one pc who is mid-30s, also married with a kid who enjoys playing slimeballs who enjoy dicing and bordellos
another player, early 30s, just married, whose dwarf character liked to blow his money on gambling, ale and women of loose morals.
Actually, the younger players in the game (those in their 20s) rarely bring up sexuality yet the older players do more often, so in my personal experience age doesn't have much to do with it.
ALthough we do have one 20 year old male player who tends to play female characters and he gets made fun of a bit for that...
KitanaVorr
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My character Elentari the Elven Bard is quite liberated! I enjoy playing her and she does hit on the other PC's in the game well only b/c they're the only ones THERE...actually there is only one PC she can hit on LOL so he's getting the brunt of it at the moment because there are no other NPC's (we're in a dungeon).
The funny part though is that while I was playing her one of the other PC's started calling her names (of which I'm quite sure DragonGirl would NOT like me repeating in this forum)
Its interesting how the attitudes of the present day leak consistently into the game. Do you generally have problems with this in your games?
BTW...I definitely would make the actions of my PC's come back to haunt them...then maybe they'll learn to use some protection...eh? B/C even in ancient times there were many forms of contraceptives. And rampant STDs were a problem...
And a note about the language: Although I see what the guys are getting at, I also see why DG doesn't like your language. Instead of making this a more gender equal idea, its seems to always say that the boys are uh getting the laying while the women are the objects. Not too sensitive there, boys. Not one bit.
Of course...in my point of view the boys are pretty much easily manipulated because they always think with the wrong body part so maybe it works in our favor...
The funny part though is that while I was playing her one of the other PC's started calling her names (of which I'm quite sure DragonGirl would NOT like me repeating in this forum)
Its interesting how the attitudes of the present day leak consistently into the game. Do you generally have problems with this in your games?
BTW...I definitely would make the actions of my PC's come back to haunt them...then maybe they'll learn to use some protection...eh? B/C even in ancient times there were many forms of contraceptives. And rampant STDs were a problem...
And a note about the language: Although I see what the guys are getting at, I also see why DG doesn't like your language. Instead of making this a more gender equal idea, its seems to always say that the boys are uh getting the laying while the women are the objects. Not too sensitive there, boys. Not one bit.
Of course...in my point of view the boys are pretty much easily manipulated because they always think with the wrong body part so maybe it works in our favor...
LostSoul
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KitanaVorr said:
Wow. Now that's sexist.
I think that sex can be a mystical, beautiful religious experience. It's also a physical act. The two don't always have to go together. In the game, minor sexual experiences are usually just that; minor. They don't play a very big part in the game, other than to establish character (maybe one of the PCs is terrified of women and has to treat them like sex objects because anything else is too much for him). The bigger issues - which don't really come down to the physical act, but the emotional intimacy - are usually intricately linked to the plot.
I ran a great romance subplot throughout a campaign that was a springboard for many adventures and brought out a lot of character in the PC involved. I've also run one-shot adventures with romantic subplots that brought a lot more emotion to the game. And I slowly creating a campaign world where sex and emotional intimacy will carry a great deal of power.
Guilt Puppy
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In character for me, sex has only come up twice... Once was as a Cha-based Rogue, looking for a place to hide out when the rest of the party had been captured, not wanting to head to inns or anywhere he could easily be found... Not without other in-character motivations, mind you, but only coming into play because it had a relation to what's happening in-game. (If it doesn't relate to "what's happening", I don't bring it up, beyond the barely-implicit "while Krogdor is getting his armor fixed, I'll be in the tavern trying my charms on the ladies.")
The second time was also brought in for goal-oriented reasons... We were playing a high-level evil campaign, working for Orcus trying to dig up some information on the cult of Demogorgon. We needed to gain this High Priestess' trust, which is something them evil folk don't give out too easily, so I use charm person as some leverage and seduce her.
Oh, I should mention my character was a mind flayer. She was a tiefling. Not fun to picture (though certainly funny to picture), but hey, she fell hopelessly in love with me and it got the job done, and I can live with the hit to my Sanity score...
(For note-takers, note that this is in sequence with the writing of The Sexual Confessions of a Mind Flayer, comemmorated in Tonguez' sig, a point of pride for me Since the sale of the book was what got us into her compound initially, the whole seduction thing just followed naturally... It is hardly my normal modus operandi )
As far as other players go, I don't think I've ever had any in-game sex beyond the vaguest of implications... This isn't to say it can't be handled maturely or anything, but I think we all just go on the assumption that it's simpler to avoid it than to skirt that line.
At any rate, pregnancy never came up (the first campaign died a few sessions later; in the second campaign, the tiefling died a few sessions later... but then both I and my DM were operating on the assumption that illithid had no sexual traits particularly congruous with human ones, not to mention that it would be another stretch to imagine the pair being capable of producing a child, so the question was pretty moot.)
(Edit: Among my many superhero identities, including Superjew and Bums Cigarettes to Minors Man, I am also the Grammar Fairy... So I wanted to point out
Not one bit! Let's look at that phrase, with general gender-specific terms inserted, and a parallel phrase for comparison:
"The man gets laid by the woman."
"A dog gets hit by a car."
Inverting the phrase but preserving the meaning, we get:
"The woman lays the man."
"A car hits a dog."
While "lays" is hardly the intended interpretation of the expression, it still follows from the structure of the expression that it is the man who is the object of "getting laid," whereas the woman is the subject.
It's rare to find sexual innuendo (or sexual anything within American/Western culture) that subjectifies women, so I must stand up in its defense! (Before you accuse me of playing on words, note that the notion of "objectification of women" comes first from the semiotic definition of the object, rather than the way the term is more commonly used.)
Further, I've heard the phrase used as often by women as by men (actually, more... at least in my experience, which I'm sure is biased by many, many factors, the women I've known have been far more willing to talk about sex, and have taken it far less seriously, than the men.)... So I'd say that, as a term itself, it is more or less "equal" along gender lines.
So while I wouldn't say it is (as a term) demeaning of women, its connotations definitely demean sex... Which I can see being bothered by, for a number of reasons.
The second time was also brought in for goal-oriented reasons... We were playing a high-level evil campaign, working for Orcus trying to dig up some information on the cult of Demogorgon. We needed to gain this High Priestess' trust, which is something them evil folk don't give out too easily, so I use charm person as some leverage and seduce her.
Oh, I should mention my character was a mind flayer. She was a tiefling. Not fun to picture (though certainly funny to picture), but hey, she fell hopelessly in love with me and it got the job done, and I can live with the hit to my Sanity score...
(For note-takers, note that this is in sequence with the writing of The Sexual Confessions of a Mind Flayer, comemmorated in Tonguez' sig, a point of pride for me
Since the sale of the book was what got us into her compound initially, the whole seduction thing just followed naturally... It is hardly my normal modus operandi )As far as other players go, I don't think I've ever had any in-game sex beyond the vaguest of implications... This isn't to say it can't be handled maturely or anything, but I think we all just go on the assumption that it's simpler to avoid it than to skirt that line.
At any rate, pregnancy never came up (the first campaign died a few sessions later; in the second campaign, the tiefling died a few sessions later... but then both I and my DM were operating on the assumption that illithid had no sexual traits particularly congruous with human ones, not to mention that it would be another stretch to imagine the pair being capable of producing a child, so the question was pretty moot.)
(Edit: Among my many superhero identities, including Superjew and Bums Cigarettes to Minors Man, I am also the Grammar Fairy... So I wanted to point out
Not one bit! Let's look at that phrase, with general gender-specific terms inserted, and a parallel phrase for comparison:
"The man gets laid by the woman."
"A dog gets hit by a car."
Inverting the phrase but preserving the meaning, we get:
"The woman lays the man."
"A car hits a dog."
While "lays" is hardly the intended interpretation of the expression, it still follows from the structure of the expression that it is the man who is the object of "getting laid," whereas the woman is the subject.
It's rare to find sexual innuendo (or sexual anything within American/Western culture) that subjectifies women, so I must stand up in its defense! (Before you accuse me of playing on words, note that the notion of "objectification of women" comes first from the semiotic definition of the object, rather than the way the term is more commonly used.)
Further, I've heard the phrase used as often by women as by men (actually, more... at least in my experience, which I'm sure is biased by many, many factors, the women I've known have been far more willing to talk about sex, and have taken it far less seriously, than the men.)... So I'd say that, as a term itself, it is more or less "equal" along gender lines.
So while I wouldn't say it is (as a term) demeaning of women, its connotations definitely demean sex... Which I can see being bothered by, for a number of reasons.
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