Lanefan
Victoria Rules
OK, I'm bad.If you’re a DM and you don’t roll in the open, you’re bad and you should feel bad.
Now that we've agreed on this, let's move on.

OK, I'm bad.If you’re a DM and you don’t roll in the open, you’re bad and you should feel bad.
Dial the gatekeepy onetruewayism back, please.If you’re a DM and you don’t roll in the open, you’re bad and you should feel bad.
To be fair, I don't think anyone has been insulted. They may not like the other person's view, but they weren't insulted. Everyone I read who likes open rolling has said one of the following:The number of demeaning and insulting comments towards those who roll behind a screen, that are present in this thread, are a low point for this community since I've joined.
I hope that things are better in the future because it makes me sad to see this type of discourse over a game.
So the real conclusion of this thread is that we should all play more Amber and Lords Of Gossamer And Shadow.
To be fair, I don't think anyone has been insulted. They may not like the other person's view, but they weren't insulted. Everyone I read who likes open rolling has said one of the following:
- It's more suspenseful
- It's more honest
- It's not difficult to do if you as DM prepped thoroughly
To be fair, I don't think anyone has been insulted. They may not like the other person's view, but they weren't insulted. Everyone I read who likes open rolling has said one of the following:
- It's more suspenseful
- It's more honest
- It's not difficult to do if you as DM prepped thoroughly
To me, those are players that often have a DM that doesn't know how to put in the prep work to balance encounters.
The only reason to have just the DM roll behind the screen is because they didn't prep for the session - and therefore they have to obfuscate the results of dice because their on-the-spot impromptus had unintended consequences.
Since those DMs do the work, our sessions are not destroyed by a few bad die rolls.
The only question is:
Should the players roll behind a screen? This is especially true once they figure out a targets' AC. If you say no, then the DM shouldn't either.
All the same thoughts apply:
- The player could want to add tension to the story by failing their tightrope walk knowing they have feather fall as a backup.
- The player could want to add a climax to the fight and score a crit on the big-bad because they are low on hit points and about to die.
- The player could want to roleplay their character and show off their strengths by convincing the king with two consecutive 20 rolls for persuasion.
Of course, if you disagree that the players would use it for story purposes, then perhaps you should not be ok with the DM doing it for story purposes either.
If you are ok with rolling behind a screen as DM, then you should also be ok with letting your players. The same for rolling in the open.
But the GM that rolls behind the screen is still doing the exact same thing as the player who does.
Unless I actually am close enough to watch every roll they make, they might as well. They roll in dice trays, I couldn't tell you the last time I actually saw a player's dice roll result.The only question is:
Should the players roll behind a screen?
Once they hit the precise AC, I inform the group that was the target. The vast majority of the time it doesn't matter since PCs hit so easily in 5E. Frankly, they are shocked when they miss.This is especially true once they figure out a targets' AC.
Since I don't see their rolls, they could be doing all these things for all I know.If you say no, then the DM shouldn't either.
All the same thoughts apply:
Of course, if you disagree that the players would use it for story purposes, then perhaps you should not be ok with the DM doing it for story purposes either.
- The player could want to add tension to the story by failing their tightrope walk knowing they have feather fall as a backup.
- The player could want to add a climax to the fight and score a crit on the big-bad because they are low on hit points and about to die.
- The player could want to roleplay their character and show off their strengths by convincing the king with two consecutive 20 rolls for persuasion.
Personally I would be fine with a set-up like this for 5E.I like games where all the rolls are performed by the players. I think Numenera works like that.
I SOOOOO want to laugh at this... but they might actually mean it.If you’re a DM and you don’t roll in the open, you’re bad and you should feel bad.
IME the players usually police each other's rolls if such seems to be required (and sadly, now and then over the years it has been).Unless I actually am close enough to watch every roll they make, they might as well. They roll in dice trays, I couldn't tell you the last time I actually saw a player's dice roll result.