So how does the Bladesinger work?

[Rechan]

What's ARcane Strike and Seelie Retort do?

 

[thewok]

Arcane Strike lets you make an MBA as a minor action after using a Daily. Steely Retort allows you to make an MBA (as an OA) against an adjacent enemy that hits you while Bladesong is active.

 

[Rechan]

Arcane Strike lets you make an MBA as a minor action after using a Daily. Steely Retort allows you to make an MBA (as an OA) against an adjacent enemy that hits you while Bladesong is active.

Do either of those allow you to use a Bladespell, since they are MBAs?

 

[Tony Vargas]

In a really small nutshell: Monk with a ranged flurry of blows.

It has a monk-like extra damage mechanic that also layers on a teeny bit of control. Then it gets wierd. It's very evocative of the old 3.x 'gish' builds that weren't as good in melee as melee types nor as good at casting as casters but did their own things.

 

[Rechan]

It's very evocative of the old 3.x 'gish' builds that weren't as good in melee as melee types nor as good at casting as casters but did their own things.

That reminds me of the Duskblade and Beguiler. Man I loved those classes. The Duskblade really was a great striker.

 

[thewok]

Do either of those allow you to use a Bladespell, since they are MBAs?

Arcane Strike does; Steely Retort does not. The reason is because Bladespells can be used only on your turn, and you can't make OAs on your own turn.

 

[fuzzlewump]

That reminds me of the Duskblade and Beguiler. Man I loved those classes. The Duskblade really was a great striker.

Yeah, but I wish they took more of a leaf out of the Duskblade and Beguiler books. Maybe the Bladesinger has to forgo a daily at level 1, but at 5th level they can take a level 1 wizard daily. And so on. I have noticed a bit of a problem in the games I have participated in recently in the Essentials style classes versus the AEDU, in that we only get in a couple encounters a day in real time, and usually we just say we get an extended rest in between because no one kept track, and more importantly the DM doesn't care. But it feels ...odd... to be clamoring for the DM to care as an essentials class because it's kind of bringing the others down. And we wouldn't have the problem at all if we were all AEDU classes.

I'm playing a currently level 2 blackguard as opposed to a AEDU class because I really like the flavor and the roleplaying, so no matter the situation I'll still play it. But it sits on my mind; in such a way, you know?

EDIT: I do realize the Blackguard does get a daily attack at level 5 and on, but regardless that still puts me one behind, and more importantly, I will be very surprised if we make it to level 5. We are a very fickle group here in Austin, I think I can count the most continuous sessions in a campaign ever with two hands, tops.