OneDnD So other Classes for the PHB are dead and gone yes?

Scribe

Legend
We had a thread here some time back, well many, about the Classes we would want in a new edition. Is that dream dead now with the "Class Groups"?

From the current UA we get Wizards current outlook.

Experts - Rogue, Bard, Ranger
Mages - Sorcerer, Warlock, Wizard
Priests - Cleric, Druid, Paladin
Warriors - Barbarian, Fighter, Monk

And Artificer WOULD be an Expert, but is specifically noted as being in either Eberron, or Tasha's.

Warlord? Gish? Psionic? Is it time to just give up the dream on this, and hope they come in a supplemental product?
 

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Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
I think the idea of classes beyond the familiar 12 in the PHB is dead, yeah. That said, I don’t think that means we won’t get a post-2024 revision of the Artificer or psion class or what have you in later supplements. Though, probably not a psion, I think the ship has sailed on that being a full class.
 

Scribe

Legend
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billd91

Not your screen monkey (he/him)
I mean, expect vs hope, I guess. I was hoping we would see the three I listed, as I think they can fit into the framework of the existing classes without stepping on toes.
It wasn't exactly a conversation that involved WotC, so, yeah. It wasn't going to be anything but pipe dreams.
 


Amrûnril

Adventurer
I don't think anyone expected anything other than these 12 to be in the next PHB, did they?
The Articficer is the only full class thats been added since 2014. It's distinctive in terms of both mechanics and flavor (more so, I'd argue than a number of the PHB classes) and it expresses a flexible enough concept to work in a broad range of settings and support plenty of subclasses. I don't know it was seriously considered for inclusion in the next PHB, but it absolutely should have been.
 

Clint_L

Hero
Warlord? Gish? Psionic? Is it time to just give up the dream on this, and hope they come in a supplemental product?
Those seem more setting specific and this PHB is supposed to be an update of the current one, so I don't see new classes being offered. That would seem to contradict their stated intent.

I don't think it was ever realistic to think those would be PHB classes, but I could totally see them in a particular setting, like Planescape for Gish.
 


Tales and Chronicles

Jewel of the North, formerly know as vincegetorix
I dont know about setting specific: a Warlord or Gish seem more generic than having a full class write-up for every flavor of spellcasting.

Its like if they made a full class for every type of martial weapons!
Or give me a different class for a character with sick weapon skills from birth that is somehow different than one who learn it at a school and another one who was taken by a mysterious traveling weapon master.
 

And Artificer WOULD be an Expert, but is specifically noted as being in either Eberron, or Tasha's.

Warlord? Gish? Psionic? Is it time to just give up the dream on this, and hope they come in a supplemental product?
The only plausible addition to the PHB was the Artificer. I think it'll be in a very early supplement. The Warlord - with luck they will do better with warlord fighter options this time.

Psionic's going into sorcerer again. And Gish they've decided shouldn't be just one single class but options in several because there's no one vision of them.
 

Minigiant

Legend
Supporter
There will only be the 12 classes from the 2014 PHB in the 2024 PHB.
But I think WOTC will do more classes like the Artificer, Warlord, Shaman, and Psion, in new seting books and options books.

I think they have enough data by now that mechainc heavy player and DM options are big sellers.

If there aren't an addition class for each class group by 2034, I would be shocked.
 


I still think eventually Artificers are going to get the D&D One treatment in the playtest, they keep getting referred to too often not to be, and it causes mechanical issues if they aren't.

It's going to be weird if the One D&D book keeps referring to previous books. The playtest doesn't have to care about that yet.
 

Lojaan

Adventurer
We had a thread here some time back, well many, about the Classes we would want in a new edition. Is that dream dead now with the "Class Groups"?

From the current UA we get Wizards current outlook.

Experts - Rogue, Bard, Ranger
Mages - Sorcerer, Warlock, Wizard
Priests - Cleric, Druid, Paladin
Warriors - Barbarian, Fighter, Monk

And Artificer WOULD be an Expert, but is specifically noted as being in either Eberron, or Tasha's.

Warlord? Gish? Psionic? Is it time to just give up the dream on this, and hope they come in a supplemental product?
It may be not what you want, but I would not be surprised if warlord and swordsmage make it into the PHB as subclasses
 


Minigiant

Legend
Supporter
If WOTC intends to have past adventure and setting books backwards compatible, them they will run out of mechanical material quickly.
They can't print a new FR or Theros book with nothing in it but lore. That won't sell.
This is ESPECIALLY true if them offer update guides for the subclasses of 5e subclasses. WOTC is kinda running on fumes for exciting ideas for subclasses. TCOE had reprints.

It would be easier to write a XGTE/TCOE type book with 1 new subclasses for 16-17 classes than 2 new subclasses for 12-13 classes.

The 2024 PHB likely will just have the 12 2014 PHB classes.
Artificer will likely come in a new Ebberon book.
Swordmage/Gish might come in a new FR book.
Psion will likely come in a new Dark Sun book.
Warlord and/or Shaman might come in a new options book.
 

Clint_L

Hero
Again, I remind folks that this is not a new edition. All of the existing sourcebooks are still in effect when the updated PHB comes out. It's still 5e. You can just keep playing your artificer from Tashas', so I don't think they necessarily see an updated artificer as a priority, since Tasha's just came out.

You can also just keep playing all the other subclasses that are currently in the game. And you can play them using the 2014 PHB or the 2024 one. Dealer's choice. My Mercy monk will still be a thing, other or not that it is one of the sub-classes that gets an update in the PHB or not (it probably won't, since it is already pretty up to date having just come out last year).

One D&D is not a new edition. It is just the name they are giving to D&D going forward, so that they can update as needed without making everything currently in print obsolete.
 

Kobold Stew

Last Guy in the Airlock
Supporter
You can also just keep playing all the other subclasses that are currently in the game. And you can play them using the 2014 PHB or the 2024 one. Dealer's choice.
You've made claims like this, before, and I think there just isn't the evidence to support it. You may be right, but nothing in the playtests so far suggests this is true.
 

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