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So, Wandavision?

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
When they stopped Monica from going back before, they said her cells had mutated. I'm wondering if the Hex passing over people (and perhaps expanding worldwide in a later episode) isn't the event that bring mutants into the MCU now that they have the rights to do so.
Powers gained from energy, etc. don't make mutants. They make super beings like Spiderman, who isn't a mutant. Mutants are born with the mutant gene and manifest those powers usually around puberty. It might set things up for their kids to be mutants, though.
 

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Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Powers gained from energy, etc. don't make mutants. They make super beings like Spiderman, who isn't a mutant. Mutants are born with the mutant gene and manifest those powers usually around puberty. It might set things up for their kids to be mutants, though.

There's mutants (like the X-men), altered humans (Spider-man, Hulk), hi-tech wonders (Iron Man), robots (Vision), and aliens (Thor), if I recall the game correctly.
 


wicked cool

Explorer
i had no idea the 4th wall was related to the show types like modern family/office

wonder what next weeks show theme will be? What is todays best family show/comedy? Simpsons?

Is Rambo now the same as Captain Marvel in powers? Is she a strong match for quicksilver?

Ive heard theories this is how marvel introduces mutants and fantastic 4.
 

Doubly likely if the book on the podium was the Darkhold, and Wanda rescued it from SWORD custody...

The book looks different from the last time we saw it on Agents of Shield.

Darkhold.png


But then again, it would have to be the Darkhold wouldn't it? What other book could it be? Wandavision already has so many ties to Thor the Dark World and Doctor Strange, plus the Darkhold originates from the Dark Dimension, which is featured prominently in both movies. I can't imagine it being any other book really. It is one of Marvel's favorite MacGuffins.

As a side note, I really hope Doctor Strange makes a cameo on the final episode of Wandavision.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
The book looks different from the last time we saw it on Agents of Shield.

If you trust the outward appearance of anything on the show, you may have missed the point. :p

(That said, as they moved into the basement, I think they switched to the "real world" aspect ratio, so I think what we see may be what we get in the Basement)

But then again, it would have to be the Darkhold wouldn't it? What other book could it be?

The Necronomicon. It also has a history in the MCU as a bit of a "lesser Darkhold".

The Book of the Vishanti is supposed to be filled with "white magic", and so it probably isn't that.
The Book of Cagliostro gets mentioned in the Doctor Strange movie. Would it have left the library?
Marvel comics have several other magical tomes of note (the Book of Demonicus, the Tome of Zhered-Na, the Iron Bound Books of Shuma Gorath, etc) but they are all kind of obscure, and would just be "magical book" in this context... which is fine, actually. Agatha doesn't have to be working from a specific known book.
 



Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
There's mutants (like the X-men), altered humans (Spider-man, Hulk), hi-tech wonders (Iron Man), robots (Vision), and aliens (Thor), if I recall the game correctly.
Yeah. The game called the ones like Spiderman altered aumans and also in the Ultimate Powers Book, mutants - induced. Either way, though, they didn't register to things like the Sentinals or Cerebro which detected mutants.
 

If you trust the outward appearance of anything on the show, you may have missed the point. :p

Fair point. But it would be a bit odd of them to make the book look like another book. If they wanted to disguise it, they could have disguised it as any other household item. So in that respect, I think it is fair to assume that the book is as we see it.

The Necronomicon. It also has a history in the MCU as a bit of a "lesser Darkhold".

Possible, but it has less ties to Doctor Strange and Thor the Dark World as far as I know. Plus it is more commonly associated with the works of HP Lovecraft and the Cthulhu mythos. It would be fun to see the Necronomicon make its way into the MCU though.

The Book of Cagliostro gets mentioned in the Doctor Strange movie. Would it have left the library?

Not just mentioned, don't we also get to see it?

Book_of_Cagliostro_(DS).png


Marvel comics have several other magical tomes of note (the Book of Demonicus, the Tome of Zhered-Na, the Iron Bound Books of Shuma Gorath, etc) but they are all kind of obscure, and would just be "magical book" in this context... which is fine, actually. Agatha doesn't have to be working from a specific known book.

But I think given how prominently we are shown the book, that it isn't just a simple spellbook, or a book we've never heard of. It must be something very vital to the plot, and possibly also to Doctor Strange. The show is now really leaning into the witchcraft. Still, that does not exclude the possibility that they are introducing an all new book as their MacGuffin.
 

So, Tommy and Billy. Not a lot of talk on them (unless I missed it). But they are going to be major players in the final battle of the season right?

With Agnes saying in Episode 5 "{Sigh} Kids {Chuckles} You can't control 'em. No matter how hard you try." That now Means Something, right?

With Wanda vs Agnes, Monica vs Pietro, Darcy and Woo vs Heyward. That leaves Vision fairly alone with the boys being at least wildcards in the situation.
 

So, Tommy and Billy. Not a lot of talk on them (unless I missed it). But they are going to be major players in the final battle of the season right?
They will likely be deleted from existence when the big bad absorbs them to fully manifest. Thus casing Wanda to go completely librarian-poo and have to be imprisoned in the Dungeon Dimension by Doctor Who Strange.

I doubt they will be involved in any slugfest.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
They will likely be deleted from existence when the big bad absorbs them to fully manifest. Thus casing Wanda to go completely librarian-poo and have to be imprisoned in the Dungeon Dimension by Doctor Who Strange.

I doubt they will be involved in any slugfest.
I think if that happens, it will be to fuel her going full godmode, and overwriting reality on a cosmic scale, creating a multiversal conflux that brings mutants and perhaps other stuff into the same world as the MCU.
 

MarkB

Legend
They will likely be deleted from existence when the big bad absorbs them to fully manifest. Thus casing Wanda to go completely librarian-poo and have to be imprisoned in the Dungeon Dimension by Doctor Who Strange.

I doubt they will be involved in any slugfest.
I understand that's more-or-less what happens in the comic-book line that inspired much of the show, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll take the same tack here. I'm not sure Disney are going to be keen on essentially killing off a couple of kids - or jettisoning a popular female superhero character.

I expect that there will be some threat of it happening, and it will be serious motivation for both Wanda and Vision.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Fair point. But it would be a bit odd of them to make the book look like another book. If they wanted to disguise it, they could have disguised it as any other household item. So in that respect, I think it is fair to assume that the book is as we see it.

Have you not been watching? Cars turn into different cars. Drones turn into toy helicopters. People get fashion makeovers - the actual function doesn't change, but outward appearance does. It isn't so much disguise, as it is changing to match genre.

But I think given how prominently we are shown the book, that it isn't just a simple spellbook, or a book we've never heard of. It must be something very vital to the plot, and possibly also to Doctor Strange. The show is now really leaning into the witchcraft. Still, that does not exclude the possibility that they are introducing an all new book as their MacGuffin.

I wouldn't call it a MacGuffin. The MacGuffin is the object that has no other use than to drive the plot. The Maltese Falcon being the iconic example. It doesn't do anything at all in the story, but it is desired and sought. Nobody's looking for this book. If it wasn't set dressing to dirve the point that Agatha's about MAGIC to those who don't know the comics, it probably has significant actual function. So, not a MacGuffin.
 

FitzTheRuke

Legend
I understand that's more-or-less what happens in the comic-book line that inspired much of the show, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll take the same tack here. I'm not sure Disney are going to be keen on essentially killing off a couple of kids - or jettisoning a popular female superhero character.

I expect that there will be some threat of it happening, and it will be serious motivation for both Wanda and Vision.
I expect the kids to age-up one more time to help out their parents, leaving them properly Speed and Wiccan for the Young Avengers (show or movie - probably show). There almost certainly won't be a WandaVision season two, but a sequel show (not just Multiverse of Magic) should be fully expected.
 

Rune

Once A Fool
If you trust the outward appearance of anything on the show, you may have missed the point. :p

(That said, as they moved into the basement, I think they switched to the "real world" aspect ratio, so I think what we see may be what we get in the Basement)
Maybe not, but if the basement is under/outside of the hex, I’d think they’d have to pass through an energy barrier?
The Necronomicon. It also has a history in the MCU as a bit of a "lesser Darkhold".

The Book of the Vishanti is supposed to be filled with "white magic", and so it probably isn't that.
The Book of Cagliostro gets mentioned in the Doctor Strange movie. Would it have left the library?
Marvel comics have several other magical tomes of note (the Book of Demonicus, the Tome of Zhered-Na, the Iron Bound Books of Shuma Gorath, etc) but they are all kind of obscure, and would just be "magical book" in this context... which is fine, actually. Agatha doesn't have to be working from a specific known book.
Speaking of which, that orange energy coming from the book looks a lot like the color-signature from the type of magic the sorcerers use. Can anyone confirm if it matches?
 

Rune

Once A Fool
I expect the kids to age-up one more time to help out their parents, leaving them properly Speed and Wiccan for the Young Avengers (show or movie - probably show). There almost certainly won't be a WandaVision season two, but a sequel show (not just Multiverse of Magic) should be fully expected.
I expect Agatha was aging them. She was always present, after all.
 


Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Maybe not, but if the basement is under/outside of the hex, I’d think they’d have to pass through an energy barrier?

If, as they sang, it was Agatha all along, I don't doubt that she might have a location inside the barrier, but not subject to the transformations of appearance.
 

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