So, Wandavision?

[Davies]

There's some interesting ideas there, but I have some problems. If Wanda really is behind it all, and she really has lost control, and Tyler was trying to do something to the Vision ... then why isn't Tyler dead? She had him dead to rights in this episode, and let him live. She had no reason to do that, if all that is true.

What I'm inclined to wonder is whether the Wanda who showed up in her red coat is not the same Wanda whom we saw chasing through the suburbs with Billy and Tommy. What if one of those Wandas -- the one who's reverted to her Sokovian accent -- is an illusion?

 

[Dire Bare]

There's some interesting ideas there, but I have some problems. If Wanda really is behind it all, and she really has lost control, and Tyler was trying to do something to the Vision ... then why isn't Tyler dead? She had him dead to rights in this episode, and let him live. She had no reason to do that, if all that is true.

Because she's still a good person, a hero. One who's gone crazy with grief and is extremely dangerous, but still a hero.

For now, at least.

 

[Dire Bare]

Multiple dimensions. Alternate dimensions. Alternate timelines. Etc. Remember how the Avengers went and collected alternate dimension versions of the Infinity Stones to restore everyone? Either the alternate Mindstone never made it back to it's home dimension or maybe Wanda and/or whoever is helping/controlling her figured out how to get one again.

In the episode, she tells her kids that you can't reverse death. Agnes seems surprised that's a possibility. Vision was resurrected, of course, but he's a vibranium magical android, so . . .

So, Wanda couldn't resurrect her dead brother Pietro . . . so instead an alternate universe version was brought to Westview.

Wanda was surprised by Pietro's arrival . . . either she brought him there subconsciously, or something else is at play. What I don't know yet is if she was surprised that it was a different Pietro . . . I thought it was fun that Darcy noticed Pietro had been "recast", what a great line!

 

[MarkB]

So, to muse on what started all this. I will start with three options.

1) Mephisto. In the comics, he was the ultimate source of the souls for Wanda's kids. However, that event didn't play out anything like this. And I don't know that they'd invoke a villain we haven't seen before, and that has no known role i the MCU going forward. Also, I don't know if Disney wants to go to "the Devil did it" in the MCU. I think this unlikely.

2) Kang the Conqueror. Highly likely. He's known to be the next BBEG for the MCU. Breaking walls between realities is a very Kang thing to do. Gives him more to conquer. And the "skipping through time" element of the TV show is reminiscent of the fact that Kang is a time traveler, making it thematically appropriate. Maybe that's a sort of countdown - when the sitcoms get to the present day, the thing comes to fruition?

3) It just happened, an accident. The Infinity Stones were "singularities" from the beginning of the universe. They have all been destroyed - that probably has consequences. Wanda herself is the last known vestige of an Infinity Stones power in the universe. Imagine she stole Vision's body and tried to being him back with her power - and that much focused application of Infinity Stone power in a place that is no longer stabilized by Stones created a... rupture? Her powers are now put to generally trying to manage it. I think they could totally make this a plausible explanation, but I doubt this is what's going on. They'll have some entity behind it.

Just to throw out another possibility, we now know that Wanda recovered Vision's corpse from a SWORD laboratory - and that she was very angry when she did it.

We also have Monica's conversation with Hayward near the start of episode 4, indicating that SWORD are now in the business of creating sentient weapons, not just observing them.

Put that together, and it seems a safe bet that SWORD weren't just examining Vision's remains out of general scientific curiosity - they were trying to use him to build a new sentient weapon. Maybe they succeeded, and maybe whoever or whatever that weapon is, it's in the Hex along with Wanda and the reconstructed Vision.

 

[Umbran]

Now is a supernatural villain (Mephsito?) using that crazy to open his own franchise in the Astral Realm? Quite possibly. But I still think Wanda will be the Villain of this show (and Agnes vindicated as the hero )

I think in calling her "villain" you are completely throwing away subtleties. This is a woman who has seen trauma up, down, and sideways, and has anyone offered her, you know, counselling? We got Age of Ultron because nobody cared to try to treat Stark for his PTSD, now Wanda...

Instead, consider SWORD. And how the guy who runs the operation has no concept of the word "de-escalation". The dude fires off a missile at Wanda while two kids, whose only sin is growing up quickly, are standing right next to her!

I think Wanda's apt to be the antagonist, but likely SWORD will be the villain of the piece.

 

[Morrus]

I think in calling her "villain" you are completely throwing away subtleties. This is a woman who has seen trauma up, down, and sideways, and has anyone offered her, you know, counselling?

We don't traditionally excuse comic-book villains because they have a tragic past, and what she's done to all those people is unforgivable.

 

[Janx]

We don't traditionally excuse comic-book villains because they have a tragic past, and what she's done to all those people is unforgivable.

the difference is, we like Wanda. Nobody likes Kraven the Hunter.

 

[Umbran]

Put that together, and it seems a safe bet that SWORD weren't just examining Vision's remains out of general scientific curiosity - they were trying to use him to build a new sentient weapon.

That's a pretty reasonable possibility. I mean, who here thought Ultron would remain dead forever? And given that Vision was Ultron's design, and supposed to be Ultron++, what better source for resurrection?

Maybe they succeeded, and maybe whoever or whatever that weapon is, it's in the Hex along with Wanda and the reconstructed Vision.

This, I dunno. Seems a bit extraneous.

 

[Umbran]

We don't traditionally excuse comic-book villains because they have a tragic past, and what she's done to all those people is unforgivable.

Quite the opposite. We excuse them all the time. Many of the worst villains do turns as heroes.

Edit: Also, we don't give them credit for their traumas... AND THAT IS A PROBLEM. Our understanding of trauma has increased dramatically since the origination of superhero tropes. Marvel has clearly upped their game in subtlety of storytelling. Maybe they're willing to approach this with a story that's not so black-and-white about "villains".

 

[Umbran]

What I'm inclined to wonder is whether the Wanda who showed up in her red coat is not the same Wanda whom we saw chasing through the suburbs with Billy and Tommy. What if one of those Wandas -- the one who's reverted to her Sokovian accent -- is an illusion?

Outright controlled image projection is not traditionally part of her power set, but maybe.

However, the comics are loaded with characters who have alter-egos. Perhaps Wanda Maximoff has developed dissociative personality disorder ("multiple personality disorder", in the old parlance). There are now two personalities - Wanda (the basically nice person in the sitcoms) and Scarlett Witch (who has the Sokovian accent, and throws people she doesn't like around).