D&D (2024) Sorcerer (Playtest 7)

Moorcrys

Explorer
I have never understood this myself. Why does the system reward players for just blowing their loads and novaing all the time? Why does a sorc need to be completely spend to get a sorc point, is it really so broken to just give them a sorc point back when initiative is rolled?

I make a point of asking them to change this every play test packet. It’s silly to make all of these classes expend every last bit of a resource before they get a tiny bit back - I simply don’t understand the design logic behind it.
 

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Remathilis

Legend
There is a difference though between rewarding use and rewarding novas.

As we have already noted, an easy change is to have the sorc point come back whenever initiative starts (whether you are out of sorc points or not). So if you haven't used any sorc points, you get no benefit (bad hoarder!). If you have used your sorc points a little, you get a benefit. If you used a lot of sorc points, you get a benefit.

Why are we only rewarding the extreme case of blowing through every sorc point you have, rather than "I've used some but not all".
If WotC REALLY wants to make short rests viable for other classes, make the sorcerer replenish one point if out on initiative, but a higher amount on any short rest (up to your max). Numbers being made up: You recover 4 Sorcery points on a SR, or 1 point if you roll initiative and have no points.
 

WanderingMystic

Adventurer
What I want from the Sorcerer (whitch I will never get) is the ultimate specialist. You choose dragon then you get access to elemental spells that are specific to the color of the dragon you chose, you can also get fear and maybe a melee ability but that's it. Pick Shadow and you can use some Necromancy and some illusions but you will never be throwing around a fireball. This would for 1 fit a commonly used concept from fantasy stories and 2 give them a very strong mechanical difference from other caster.
 

mellored

Legend
If WotC REALLY wants to make short rests viable for other classes, make the sorcerer replenish one point if out on initiative, but a higher amount on any short rest (up to your max). Numbers being made up: You recover 4 Sorcery points on a SR, or 1 point if you roll initiative and have no points.
I would take it a step further.

Sorcerers get 1 point back on a short rest. Scaling to...

That's it. Nothing for rolling initiative.
 


Mistwell

Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
Now that Warlocks no longer have the requirement of "pact" abilities....I once again ask the question, "isn't the warlock just a better sorceror?"

I don't think they're a better sorceror, but I do think one subclass might make them a better fighter.
 

Remathilis

Legend
I would take it a step further.

Sorcerers get 1 point back on a short rest. Scaling to...

That's it. Nothing for rolling initiative.
Lets do the same to battlemaster superiority dice, wild shapes, bardic inspiration, rage, arcane recovery, currently divinity, discipline points and pact magic and you got a deal. One use/point/slot/dice per SR and none on initiative. Oh and one HD max per use. Then we can bring SR down to 10 minutes or less.
 

MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
Remind me how you view the Sorcerer?
Magic incarnate, a magical beast shaped like a human/elf/whatever. While the individual sorcerer can be an oddity or a wonderful occurrence, the sorcerer magic is essentially natural and intuitive, like breathing. Moreover, a sorcerer's magic is wholly internal not reliant on an external entity. As a sorcerer, you aren't borrowing your dragon ancestor power, your power comes out of you being part dragon. You aren't using a deity's power, your power is the manifestation of a miniature divine spark. Being just a chaneller takes away a lot of the uniqueness of the sorcerer. While other casters can't be mechanically cut down from their benefactor, lorewise they can. At the same time, the only way to stop a sorcerer from using magic should be death, and sometimes not even that.
 

Tales and Chronicles

Jewel of the North, formerly know as vincegetorix
Magic incarnate, a magical beast shaped like a human/elf/whatever. While the individual sorcerer can be an oddity or a wonderful occurrence, the sorcerer magic is essentially natural and intuitive, like breathing. Moreover, a sorcerer's magic is wholly internal not reliant on an external entity. As a sorcerer, you aren't borrowing your dragon ancestor power, your power comes out of you being part dragon. You aren't using a deity's power, your power is the manifestation of a miniature divine spark. Being just a chaneller takes away a lot of the uniqueness of the sorcerer. While other casters can't be mechanically cut down from their benefactor, lorewise they can. At the same time, the only way to stop a sorcerer from using magic should be death, and sometimes not even that.
I think I'll add a feature that lets sorcerers ignore dispel/counter/anti magic while in their ''rage'' mode at higher level. That could be cool.
 

Yaarel

He Mage
Magic incarnate, a magical beast shaped like a human/elf/whatever. While the individual sorcerer can be an oddity or a wonderful occurrence, the sorcerer magic is essentially natural and intuitive, like breathing. Moreover, a sorcerer's magic is wholly internal not reliant on an external entity. As a sorcerer, you aren't borrowing your dragon ancestor power, your power comes out of you being part dragon. You aren't using a deity's power, your power is the manifestation of a miniature divine spark. Being just a chaneller takes away a lot of the uniqueness of the sorcerer. While other casters can't be mechanically cut down from their benefactor, lorewise they can. At the same time, the only way to stop a sorcerer from using magic should be death, and sometimes not even that.
Yeah. The "innate" magic is super-important to me too. Strictly never a material component. I despise the costly spell component, and resent the fact that it is mechanically ineffective, inconsistent and pointless. And generally oppose all spell components, whether Verbal, Somatic, Material, or Costly, for good measure. I am a fan of psionics because it is innate, the power of intention.

In the case of the Sorcerer class, the body itself is the manifestation of magic. An incarnation.
 

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