Sorcerer + Wizard uses of Permanency Spell

[Lord Thurham]

A Sorcerer who has the spell Permanency wants to have Darkvision or Detect Magic permanently on himself. However, he does not have the spells Darkvision or Detect Magic, but one of the party members who is a Wizard does. So, the Wizard casts Darkvision on the Sorcerer. The Sorcerer casts Permanency on himself. Is this a valid use of the spell Permanency? Also, Permanency + Darkvision costs 1000xp, who pays the experience points? The Sorcerer, the Wizard or Both?

Thanks!

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

I would say that the player is trying to pull a fast one on you.

Check the spell description of permanency. I think it lists which spells you can make permanent on yourself and which you can make permanent on other people. If you can't cast the spell, you can't make it permanent.

Or rule 0 it.

 

[Sejs]

I'd say yes, let it work. It's similar to how you can have other people provide the spell pre-reqs for making magic items, even if you don't know the spell yourself.

The person casting permanancy would pay the exp cost.

 

[Lord Thurham]

It was kinda gray area about it, but I am leaning toward allowing it and having the person casting Permenancy pay the xp cost. I just wanted to find out others view on it and if there is room for abuse of it. A Sorcerer with permenancy could get interesting... Imagine if the each member of the party was enlarged to size Large with permenancy??? When it comes to melee, it makes a huge difference. So, I am doing my research before it comes up. Those xp costs are going to limit things a bit and not let it get too far out of hand.

Thanks

 

[Sejs]

I'd say yes, let it work. It's similar to how you can have other people provide the spell pre-reqs for making magic items, even if you don't know the spell yourself.

The person casting permanancy would pay the exp cost.

 

[James McMurray]

Enlarge doesn't increase your size category.

 

[Magic Rub]

Enlarge doesn't increase your size category.

True Dat.

 

[Lord Thurham]

So, a 6 foot high, 200 pound medium human enlarged 50% to 9 feet high and 480 pounds would not get the benefit of Large? A Troll in the MM1 is 9 feet tall and 500 pounds and it is considered Large. I know the spell doesn't specifically specify it, but when compared to other monsters, an enlarged human comes pretty darn close to something that has been catagorized as Large. I'd say it does change your size in that instance.

LT

 

[Skaros]

So, a 6 foot high, 200 pound medium human enlarged 50% to 9 feet high and 480 pounds would not get the benefit of Large? A Troll in the MM1 is 9 feet tall and 500 pounds and it is considered Large. I know the spell doesn't specifically specify it, but when compared to other monsters, an enlarged human comes pretty darn close to something that has been catagorized as Large. I'd say it does change your size in that instance.

LT

Thats all fine and good, just bump up the spell level of enlarge by 2 or 3 levels along with the above house rule.

Reach is quit a tactical advantage in combat, not even considering players that min/max to take advantage of it.

-Skaros

 

[Shard O'Glase]

What you do is let him make permanent spells cast by others or by scrolls or whatever he wants. and then you cast dispel magic, and then you laugh at him for taking permanency as a spell.

Considering how dispels should become a consistent feature of mid-high level fights, very few people can keep something permanent for more than 3 or 4 encounters. It's wasted xp, and a wasted known slot.